Welcome to SP!  -
Areas & RangesMountains & RocksRoutesImagesArticlesTrip ReportsGearOtherPeoplePlans & PartnersWhat's NewForum

Vernal Falls Rescue

Regional discussion and conditions reports for the Golden State. Please post partners requests and trip plans in the California Climbing Partners forum.
 

Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby SeanReedy » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:40 pm

User Avatar
SeanReedy

 
Posts: 732
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:37 pm
Location: Santa Clara County, California, United States
Thanked: 356 times in 282 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby 395guy » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:12 am

Wow. Really glad they both didn't go over the falls.

I was at the top of Nevada Falls a couple years ago and we saw a backpack floating down and over the falls quickly with the current... and a minute later a lady came rushing down asking if we saw it... and we all had, but none of us were about to risk our lives for a backpack. She looked kind of irked that nobody attempted to get it, but if you know the power of rushing water, it would've foolish to go after it, even though it did have her car keys in it (and we didn't know that at the time, and that wouldn't have made me go after it).

After that incident, I thought that the park service ought to mount a life-saver attached to a rope up there to rescue people just in case. It would've been so easy for someone to act quickly without thinking and go after that backpack and get caught in the current. A circular lifesaver attached to a rope might not be able to help a person in distress everytime, but it could be the difference between life & death for someone, whether at Vernal Falls or Nevada Falls.
User Avatar
395guy

 
Posts: 134
Joined: Thu Jun 05, 2003 4:00 pm
Location: Shake and Bake, California, United States
Thanked: 0 time in 0 post

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby Burchey » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:59 am

395guy wrote: A circular lifesaver attached to a rope might not be able to help a person in distress everytime, but it could be the difference between life & death for someone, whether at Vernal Falls or Nevada Falls.


That's an idea. I wonder how effective it would be / feasible it would be to get one in place?
User Avatar
Burchey

 
Posts: 249
Joined: Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:30 pm
Location: REI, of course! Idiot!
Thanked: 210 times in 155 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby elhombre » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:28 am

Not too many people will be able to hold the rope with someone attacked to it in swift water. In the swift water rescue classes, it is taught never tie a rope to the rescuer because the water will keep them under and no one is strong enough to pull them back. Once you loose footing, you are taught to release the loop in the rope and float on down. It is all about the surface area (your body) which the water is pushing against. Just is a crappy situation for all involved even when some of the people have the right training.
elhombre

 
Posts: 5
Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:42 am
Location: Canyon Lake
Thanked: 0 time in 0 post

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby BriannaNicole » Sat May 04, 2013 8:47 pm

Wow, that heppened only a week after I was there! They really need to put up a sign there or something because people are just not careful enough and underestimate the power of the water.
User Avatar
BriannaNicole

 
Posts: 10
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:48 am
Location: California, United States
Thanked: 0 time in 0 post

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby SeanReedy » Sat May 04, 2013 9:02 pm

BriannaNicole wrote:They really need to put up a sign there or something because people are just not careful enough and underestimate the power of the water.


Yes, people underestimate, but I don't think more signs will help.

Image

Image

Image
User Avatar
SeanReedy

 
Posts: 732
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:37 pm
Location: Santa Clara County, California, United States
Thanked: 356 times in 282 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby norco17 » Sat May 04, 2013 10:39 pm

User Avatar
norco17

 
Posts: 817
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:53 am
Location: riverside, California, United States
Thanked: 162 times in 105 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby fedak » Sun May 05, 2013 5:05 am

IMHO, having too many signs just:
a) Conditions people to ignore signs
b) Gives folks a false sense of security when there is no sign.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.fedak.net/backcountry.html
User Avatar
fedak

 
Posts: 597
Joined: Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:28 pm
Location: Stateline, Nevada, United States
Thanked: 74 times in 61 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby artrock23 » Sun May 05, 2013 5:59 am

Most everyone enjoys a happy ending... especially one that involves true heroism. I too like the idea of ready life preservers attached to ropes.

BriannaNicole wrote:They really need to put up a sign there or something because people are just not careful enough and underestimate the power of the water.


This may seem harsh (warning: politically incorrect), but the first rule of Natural Law is: survival of the fittest. If one does not possess the common sense to realize that entering swift-moving water near the edge of a tall waterfall is potentially fatal, maybe they are too inept at self preservation to be allowed near one. No? :geek:
User Avatar
artrock23

 
Posts: 121
Joined: Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:26 pm
Location: Laguna Beach, California, United States
Thanked: 155 times in 84 posts

The following user would like to thank artrock23 for this post
bscott, Marmaduke

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby mrchad9 » Mon May 06, 2013 2:54 am

Agreed. Someone standing next to that irked lady at the top of Nevada Falls should have pushed her in and told her to go get her backpack herself.
User Avatar
mrchad9

 
Posts: 4174
Joined: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:01 am
Location: San Ramon, California, United States
Thanked: 1202 times in 814 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby Bob Sihler » Mon May 06, 2013 11:34 pm

What we need are fewer signs and rails and the like along the trails.
"Alcohol is like love. The first kiss is magic, the second is intimate, the third is routine. After that you take the girl's clothes off."

--Terry Lennox, The Long Goodbye (Raymond Chandler)
User Avatar
Bob Sihler
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 7297
Joined: Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:20 pm
Location: Herndon, Virginia
Thanked: 1819 times in 1030 posts

The following user would like to thank Bob Sihler for this post
butitsadryheat

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby Marmaduke » Mon May 06, 2013 11:38 pm

I'll be there this weekend, I'll get photos of all the idiots I can at the falls ............Hopefully someone else isn't doing the same and taking my photo.
User Avatar
Marmaduke

 
Posts: 1325
Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:08 am
Location: Sonoma, California, United States
Thanked: 578 times in 444 posts

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby boyblue » Tue May 07, 2013 12:50 am

Marmaduke wrote:I'll be there this weekend, I'll get photos of all the idiots I can at the falls ............Hopefully someone else isn't doing the same and taking my photo.


You may have missed a good opportunity yesterday (5/5) at LYF when a group of boy scouts decided to hike beyond the end of the trail determined to climb upstream over huge slippery boulders to "stand beneath the falls". The parents and scoutmaster had been temporarily distracted by the scenery, but the boys didn't get very far before they were noticed and very loudly recalled back to the trail by the adults. (They hadn't gotten very far.)

Confession:
It was my son's troop and I was one of the distracted adults. :oops:

Their punishment:
Being forced to pose endlessly for many many pictures. :twisted: :
Troop186atLYF.jpg
Troop186atLYF.jpg (1009.56 KiB) Viewed 892 times

Our punishment:
Fighting Valley traffic on a warm Sunday in the spring- our cars full of loud rowdy kids. :roll:
But... it could have been a lot worse. :)
User Avatar
boyblue

 
Posts: 132
Joined: Sat Feb 15, 2003 9:30 am
Location: Newark, California, United States
Thanked: 71 times in 44 posts

The following user would like to thank boyblue for this post
Marmaduke, mrchad9

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby WyomingSummits » Tue May 07, 2013 5:53 am

boyblue wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:I'll be there this weekend, I'll get photos of all the idiots I can at the falls ............Hopefully someone else isn't doing the same and taking my photo.


You may have missed a good opportunity yesterday (5/5) at LYF when a group of boy scouts decided to hike beyond the end of the trail determined to climb upstream over huge slippery boulders to "stand beneath the falls". The parents and scoutmaster had been temporarily distracted by the scenery, but the boys didn't get very far before they were noticed and very loudly recalled back to the trail by the adults. (They hadn't gotten very far.)

Confession:
It was my son's troop and I was one of the distracted adults. :oops:

Their punishment:
Being forced to pose endlessly for many many pictures. :twisted: :
Troop186atLYF.jpg

Our punishment:
Fighting Valley traffic on a warm Sunday in the spring- our cars full of loud rowdy kids. :roll:
But... it could have been a lot worse. :)


Looks like that grizzly on the left got ahold of a boy scout uniform........ :)
User Avatar
WyomingSummits

 
Posts: 395
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:03 am
Location: Wyoming, United States
Thanked: 62 times in 44 posts

The following user would like to thank WyomingSummits for this post
boyblue, mrchad9

Re: Vernal Falls Rescue

Postby boyblue » Tue May 07, 2013 6:37 am

WyomingSummits wrote:Looks like that grizzly on the left got ahold of a boy scout uniform........ :)


Yeah.... there could be one or two scouts in there too! :lol:

He's a great guy and the kids love him. I like standing next to him since that's the only time I feel skinny. :)
User Avatar
boyblue

 
Posts: 132
Joined: Sat Feb 15, 2003 9:30 am
Location: Newark, California, United States
Thanked: 71 times in 44 posts


Return to California

 


  • Related topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

© 2006-2013 SummitPost.org. All Rights Reserved.