ExcitableBoy wrote:I'm not a camera or electronics expert so my view point is from a climber who wanted an easy to use P&S that takes good quality photos. I have a Panasonic Lumix which I bought after climbing with a buddy who had one. I really like it. It has a top quality lens (Leica), 10x optical zoom, takes super crisp photos, is very ergonomic which is important because I have bumbly hands. When I need another camera I'm going to buy another one.
dskoon wrote:Alrighty, folks, looking for yet more advice on cameras from all you shutterbugs out there.
Here's the situation: looking to buy a decent, moderately priced camera for my son. Graduation present before he heads off to college.
He will most likely be shooting outside, skiing, hiking, etc.
He said he doesn't want one like mine, ie, an older Nikon point and shoot,(forget the model, seems fine for my purposes, but. . ), but rather,
one like his mom's, which I believe is something like the NikonD3100, as he tells me it takes "great pictures!" Better than mine, apparently. . .
Anyway, the kid has never owned his own camera, other than his iphone, and I tend to think a good quality point and shoot would suffice,
though apparently his mom's is a bit more than a p and s. .
Just got done reading a few of the numerous camera threads on here, and most seem written toward higher end stuff, which is great, but I think
overkill for what he's looking for, or needs.
Soooo, looking for a few recommendations that are realistic, ie, for him, and won't break the bank for me. . I'm sure he wants video capability,
and we talked about how a viewfinder seems important, especially for snow/glare conditions.
Uncle of mine just took a Panasonic Lumix to Europe with him, saying he'd done his research and it was the "best in its class," etc. . .
Dunno. . .
Appreciate in advance any recommendations and advice!
Wastral wrote:Pick up a used Panasonic GH2. Body is a whopping $400 on ebay. New is $600 -$800 with lens. Its full featured, fairly fast Auto Focus, vastly better than a P&S, but not as good as a higher end C/N/S/P, but better than the lower end C/N/P/S cameras. Ability to produce commercial quality video if you hack it and the ONLY thing that beats it for video quality is a hacked Canon Mark d3 at a tidy $3000. Even then it doesn't except at super HIGH iso.
From what I Have read, but haven't used: (Looking currently myself as my Sony R1 is ancient and tired of borrowing the GH2 , so this thread is right up my alley of interest at the moment)
Quite a few reviewers LOVE the Ricoh GR. Small, lightweight, cost $600ish, but has a 28mm fixed lens and your son probably would not like the fixed lens option. Beats out the Nikon A in my opinion, not in picture quality, as they are the same, using the same 16mpix sensor that is in the high end Nikon d7000 and Pentax K5 from two years back, but rather the Ricoh GR wins in features if you had to ask me.
What really is intriguing is a Pentax K-30. Weather sealed at $500. Add a waterproof lens and its $700. Its video isn't great like the hacked GH2. Then again, NO other camera besides the Olympus OMD-5 and panasonic GH3 are. IE switch between stills/video on the fly. All the old fashioned DSLR's can't really do this. Once switched between the modes the DSLR's can do a descent-good job obviously, but really none of these can compare with the hacked GH2 video quality. Do a search on youtube. Its professional grade quality with a few limitations that only a pro would notice. I don't notice. Of course I am not a pro video guy at all. Do have a GH2 and old GH1(dad/brother and have used both quite a bit myself). GH2 fixes several MAJOR image problems with the GH1. I would NOT recommend a used panasonic GH1.
Honestly, regarding image quality, they are all the same for out of camera jpegs until you get into the Olympus OMD, Fuji X-pro1, Fuji E-1, Nikon D800, Canon D3, and Sony 99. All of which are VERY expensive except the Olympus OMD which is still $1000, but these cameras most on dpreview and other review sites claim are essentially the best JPEG's out of camera one can get. If I had tons of money... 99% of the photos I take and probably the rest of humanity only care about JPEG's and could care less about RAW.
No simple answer. If you put a gun to my head, I would probably go with the Olympus OMD, or Pentax K5II, or Nikon D7100. All are weather sealed. A BIG bonus in my book. Pentax K30 for lower budget.
25c down the drain.
I still carry an ancient Sony R1.
PS. Fuji X100s, seems perfect from my perspective for a climbing camera or the Fuji X20, but they ARE EXPENSIVE!
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