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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Josh Lewis » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:39 pm

Well I wouldn't go for the boring pages with high votes. :wink: You know me enough to know that I would rather lose a page before featuring a bad one. 8)
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Bob Sihler » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:39 pm

Montana Matt wrote:I like the idea of featuring reworked pages. SP is at a point in its life now where there are many pages that could use improving or that need to be completely reworked. It's a ton of effort and, as you say, goes mostly under-recognized. I'd be happy to implement something to feature reworked pages if an idea of how to do so is clearly laid out.


I'd be happy to create a subforum in Site Feedback for people to post on reworked pages. That would also help elves interested in featuring them.

Scott had also suggested a subforum for pages up for adoption, which also might be a nice idea.

Unless there's any objection, I can probably work on those things tomorrow. Unfortunately, I'll have a lot of time on my hands.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Montana Matt » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:46 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:Scott had also suggested a subforum for pages up for adoption, which also might be a nice idea.

Yes, I saw that idea and thought it was a good one as well.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby mrchad9 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:56 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:
Montana Matt wrote:I like the idea of featuring reworked pages. SP is at a point in its life now where there are many pages that could use improving or that need to be completely reworked. It's a ton of effort and, as you say, goes mostly under-recognized. I'd be happy to implement something to feature reworked pages if an idea of how to do so is clearly laid out.


I'd be happy to create a subforum in Site Feedback for people to post on reworked pages. That would also help elves interested in featuring them.

Scott had also suggested a subforum for pages up for adoption, which also might be a nice idea.

Unless there's any objection, I can probably work on those things tomorrow. Unfortunately, I'll have a lot of time on my hands.

I am not opposed to that, however that doesn't accomplish what I am after. And personally I don't think it will be effective (not for what I am after... it may be effective for other things like elves seeing the pages).

We already have all the "what's new threads" in various regions. Those are largely unutilized and when they are used the vast majority of the site membership still overlooks them. This is easy to see by going back into the threads and looking at the votes a page registers after a post there, or how many hits it has.

There are three groups of members on the site... a forum group, a site content group, and a very small group that sees both. A forum spotlight section only reaches this last group, and it is a small community. I am trying to get after the second group... the pool that COMPLETELY ignores the forums. Even adding a single photo to a page gets more site content members to notice than posting it in a forum thread.

Similarly most people in the second group that completely ignores the forums is going to be less likely to post their effort in a thread. Ideally we also have some way to designate the item on the site content side. I think the 'What's new' page probably needs to be involved somehow.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Bob Sihler » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:48 am

mrchad9 wrote:
Bob Sihler wrote:
Montana Matt wrote:I like the idea of featuring reworked pages. SP is at a point in its life now where there are many pages that could use improving or that need to be completely reworked. It's a ton of effort and, as you say, goes mostly under-recognized. I'd be happy to implement something to feature reworked pages if an idea of how to do so is clearly laid out.


I'd be happy to create a subforum in Site Feedback for people to post on reworked pages. That would also help elves interested in featuring them.

Scott had also suggested a subforum for pages up for adoption, which also might be a nice idea.

Unless there's any objection, I can probably work on those things tomorrow. Unfortunately, I'll have a lot of time on my hands.

I am not opposed to that, however that doesn't accomplish what I am after. And personally I don't think it will be effective (not for what I am after... it may be effective for other things like elves seeing the pages).

We already have all the "what's new threads" in various regions. Those are largely unutilized and when they are used the vast majority of the site membership still overlooks them. This is easy to see by going back into the threads and looking at the votes a page registers after a post there, or how many hits it has.

There are three groups of members on the site... a forum group, a site content group, and a very small group that sees both. A forum spotlight section only reaches this last group, and it is a small community. I am trying to get after the second group... the pool that COMPLETELY ignores the forums. Even adding a single photo to a page gets more site content members to notice than posting it in a forum thread.

Similarly most people in the second group that completely ignores the forums is going to be less likely to post their effort in a thread. Ideally we also have some way to designate the item on the site content side. I think the 'What's new' page probably needs to be involved somehow.


Good points.

A forum addition won't hurt. A global PM about it could only help.

But you are right that some people will not look at the forums.

Ideas?

Here's one to start with, and take it where you will...

Instead of the front page having all these "Best of..." slots, replace one or all with "Recently updated pages."

Obviously, that is open to abuse. Attention whores can hit "Submit" without changing a thing and land on the front page. But consider the idea as a starting point and let's discuss...
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby mrchad9 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:06 am

It is a fine starting point. I've considered the same idea as well. The top spot could be a separate spot, with its own title as a recently updated page. I think an elf would need to manage it, rather then members being able to submit something to it... The only way it could be abused is if a member manipulated an elf into believing an update was major, when it was really not as big a deal. The elf would need to balance how many requests there are with the appropriate residence time, and how good the pages were. The thread could help them queue things up, but still I think even with a global PM the site content members would soon forget about the thread. But if they saw the spot on the home page they'd at least think about how to get there (by posting or PMing the elves). Ideally they should show what the page looked like prior to the update.

If there were something similar to those lines, and then a section on the what's new page for them so the residence time was longer (also some members use the what's new page more than the home page) then that's not too far from where it should be. On what's new I'd bump the albums down, probably put areas there, and put this where areas used to be.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Montana Matt » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:37 pm

3Deserts wrote:Well, I don't know if y'all did or didn't do anything vis a vis my complaint last week, but things sure seem to be working a lot more predictably since then.

Nothing has been changed with regards to the log in system. I have been brainstorming a bit of how to solve the problem when it happens even though I can't replicate it on my end. I may try to make changes sometime soon. But the problem then is that I have no way of testing if they actually work!
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Josh Lewis » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:02 pm

Matt, the issue seems most common when people use the browser Safari. So if you wanted to figure this out, you should test out with that browser.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby reboyles » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:04 pm

I'm having repeated problems creating a new image page. I get to 100% upload with a photo and then a blank SP page pops up with no picture or text. The URL is showing http://www.summitpost.org/new_create_object.php but nothing else happens. A page reload starts the upload process over and then the same thing happens.

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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Montana Matt » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:25 pm

What size in megabytes is the image you're trying to upload?
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby reboyles » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:54 pm

8,334 KB. I uploaded 9 in a row and when I tried the 10th it failed. I've tried maybe 4 times in 2 days to finish my TR but am stuck on the page issue.

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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Josh Lewis » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:28 pm

I've heard this years ago... photos over 8 megabytes cannot upload. But perhaps things have changed.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Montana Matt » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:31 pm

I can't recall the size limit right now, but I do believe that it's 8MB. You may want to resize it down a bit and try again. No need to upload photos that large.
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby Josh Lewis » Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:44 pm

I personally use Picasa 3 and use the export tool to resize hundreds of photos in speedy time! Plus you don't have to worry as much about people stealing your pics when they are in moderate resolution. :wink:
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Re: Report Bugs Here

Postby reboyles » Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:11 pm

I usually batch process my photos to a smaller resolution but I didn't check these (thinking they were older and thus smaller.) I'll batch 'em and try again.

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