by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:37 am
The Chief wrote:That is why they now warn that if after any SAR evolution the ensuing investigation finds that bad judgement was in fact the cause, the individuals will be billed full price for the op. If the individual is deceased, the immediate family will then be billed.
by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 1:49 am
The Chief wrote:Wrong Chad!
Read your WP issued by the NPS. And why did you get a WP for a one day outting????????
Amazingly so many do not do so. Both Chris Mac and Reid even have this warning in both of their Yos guidebooks.
by Princess Buttercup » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:03 am
mrchad9 wrote:Bob... I did that route yesterday.
That is an outstanding page you submitted for it. Your writeup on SP and a printout of three of your route pictures was the perfect beta.
My favorite trip so far this year and my new favorite in Yosemite as well. Probably will do it every year or so now (dispite the Yosemite brochure's manufacturer's recommendations).
by Bob Burd » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:21 am
The Chief wrote:Both Chris Mac and Reid even have this warning in both of their Yos guidebooks.
by x15x15 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:30 am
MoapaPk wrote:So, wait. Are you guys saying that this climbing stuff may be dangerous?
by lefty » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:42 am
The Chief wrote:mrchad9 wrote: I suppose all those manufacturers out there should be taken to task for producing all those useless 30 m versions eh?
Maybe you should read and heed the manufactures directions on the proper and safe applications of their products before spewing shit ignorant unsafe beta.
From the manufacture of the original 30m length rope:
8.3 Glacier Line:
Glacier half rope with superDRY™ finish. Only available in 30 and 40 m lengths. N.B.: Under no circumstances to be used as a single rope for mountaineering or rockclimbing.
http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/2 ... +Line.html
From BEAL and their discription of the rope you posted as using:
[b]Rando 8mm 30m "Mountain Walking"
[size=200]High level walking and glacier crossing only.
http://www.beal-planet.com/sport/anglai ... -rando.php[/b][/size][/i]
Utilizing the proper gear in the proper scenario will in fact keep one alive. I suggest that you heed the mau's warnings and use their equipment properly and as directed by their instructions. It is a fact that not doing so kills. Just look at many of the latest fatalities in the Valley this season alone from folks not using nor heeding the directions of specific gear and implementing their own ideas on how to use it. All of course leading to their ultimate deaths.
by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:12 am
MooseTracks wrote:I LOVE that sign! (and the route, truly fine adventure and swimming!!!)
by goldenhopper » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:12 am
Bob Burd wrote:The Chief wrote:Both Chris Mac and Reid even have this warning in both of their Yos guidebooks.
This would be an important departure from my current understanding, so I looked it up. Maybe I have the wrong guidebook, but the Yosemite Climbs / Big Walls book by Reid has this on page 19:
"Who Pays for Rescues? The taxpayer does; the NPS does not charge for the cost of rescues, except for any ambulance services required. This is true even if you are fined by the courts for negligence, which is a separate charge altogether."
I have two of McNamara's books, Yosemite Ultra Classics and Yosemite Big Walls but can't find a discussion of this in them.
Do your perhaps newer versions have something different?
lefty wrote:According to the Beal website, the Rando rope is also rated for for five falls when used as a single strand. So it seems to me that even though Beal may say to its purpose is for certain activities and not for other activities, the rope is designed to take a fall and I assume this means a leader fall.
by MoapaPk » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:45 pm
Vitaliy M. wrote:Twin ropes and doubles are two different things...
MoapaPk wrote:I think it is important that your rope be at least as strong as the manzanita bush that you are using as an anchor.
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