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Postby Luciano136 » Thu May 13, 2010 10:55 pm

Thanks guys!!

Dana sounds like a nice one.
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Postby The Chief » Thu May 13, 2010 11:09 pm

Luciano136 wrote:Thanks guys!!

Dana sounds like a nice one.


Good choice.
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Postby Vladislav » Thu May 13, 2010 11:12 pm

Another voice for Dana.

Rob, what is Kindergarten Couloir?

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Postby Luciano136 » Thu May 13, 2010 11:15 pm

Vladislav wrote:Another voice for Dana.

Rob, what is Kindergarten Couloir?

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I actually had my eye on that one as well (just for me then). It's on Checkered Demon.
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=151235
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Postby fatdad » Thu May 13, 2010 11:18 pm

You know your wife better than us, but I for one wouldn't want to take a beginning climber up Dana, especially without a rope. 1000' of 40 degree couloir is going to feel really exposed at the top. Think of it this way, would you have her solo the U-Notch, because it's pretty much the same thing.
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Postby Luciano136 » Thu May 13, 2010 11:24 pm

fatdad wrote:You know your wife better than us, but I for one wouldn't want to take a beginning climber up Dana, especially without a rope. 1000' of 40 degree couloir is going to feel really exposed at the top. Think of it this way, would you have her solo the U-Notch, because it's pretty much the same thing.


If she has good steps and the snow isn't too hard, she does fine. I recently took her up Thor Peak's SE couloir, which had a few steep sections (40-45degree) as well. She's done the Baldy bowl a few times too (and avy gulch on Shasta).

If we are halfway up and she doesn't like it, I guess we can always turn around.
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Postby Vladislav » Thu May 13, 2010 11:27 pm

Luciano136 wrote:
Vladislav wrote:Another voice for Dana.

Rob, what is Kindergarten Couloir?

Vlad.


I actually had my eye on that one as well (just for me then). It's on Checkered Demon.
http://www.summitpost.org/view_object.p ... _id=151235


Thanks Bruno,
I assume it is the left one on this picture.
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As for Dana, it does feel exposed and steep on the top third of the climb. It felt very safe though when I did it last year as a snowclimb. I would not do it later in the season when it becomes neve/ice climb.
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Postby Luciano136 » Thu May 13, 2010 11:30 pm

Pretty sure it's the left one Vlad. The other one looks much steeper (if you can even call it a couloir). I'd do Dana in the next month most likely. I just tell her not to look down :D
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Postby Jesus Malverde » Fri May 14, 2010 12:09 am

In your quest for the fun and steep consider picking up a copy of:
Backcountry Skiing California's Eastern Sierra
by Dan Mingori & Nate Greenberg

http://www.amazon.com/Backcountry-Skiin ... pd_sim_b_1

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Backcountry-Skiing-Californias-Eastern-Sierra/dp/0979264464/ref=pd_sim_b_1[url]
It's a visual feast and will give you a TON of ideas on trips.

Have fun and good luck!
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Postby rhyang » Fri May 14, 2010 2:44 pm

Vlad & Bruno - yes, Kindergarten is the left couloir on Checkered Demon. Did it with Miguel Forjan & co. in Sept. 2005, under quite different conditions of course (hard neve and brief sections of ice). I thought in terms of steepness it was about the same as the Dana Couloir. Access is more difficult because of the rough road and routefinding.

The right couloir is the 'Checkered Demon' couloir proper. It's more of a mixed / alpine ice thing you would do in the fall (haven't done it myself, looks nasty :) )

In that same area, Basin Mountain's east couloir is fairly relaxed, maybe 35-ish degrees. If the fourth class / easy fifth section to the summit is more than you're looking for you could always downclimb / glissade back down the way you came.
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Postby 96avs01 » Fri May 14, 2010 4:33 pm

rhyang wrote:or the Kindergarten Couloir ? How is the road ? I think my forester should get to the trailhead for Basin if there is not too much snow still by the time 108 opens in a few weeks (crossing fingers) ..


Hey Rob, a bit dated but info nonetheless here
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Postby bobpickering » Fri May 14, 2010 4:51 pm

Fatdad:

Dana is 35-40 degrees with a short scramble to the top and an easy walk down to the car. It was my first couloir in 1993. Two years later, it was my wife's first couloir.

The U-notch is a minimum of 45 degrees and bulges can be up to 55 degrees. The bergschrund is big enough to swallow a car, if not a bus. Crossing the snow bridge, when there is one, is never trivial. Without a snow bridge, the bergschrund requires climbing some serious technical ice. Once at the top, there is no easy way back to camp.

These two climbs are not "pretty much the same thing."
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Postby tiogap » Fri May 14, 2010 8:25 pm

Carbo wrote:Dana would be a good first climb. However, maybe I am slow but I need more than two hours to reach it

agreed. also the Dana Couloir is alot longer than it looks
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Postby Luciano136 » Fri May 14, 2010 8:26 pm

tiogap wrote:
Carbo wrote:Dana would be a good first climb. However, maybe I am slow but I need more than two hours to reach it

agreed. also the Dana Couloir is alot longer than it looks


How long would it take to get to the couloir for a slow to average hiker? :D
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Postby HandjamMasterC » Fri May 14, 2010 9:13 pm

How long would it take to get to the couloir for a slow to average hiker?


It's not too bad a hike - maybe 2 1/2 or 3 hours if I remember correctly?
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