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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby mrchad9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:03 pm

Redwic wrote:Holy cow! My "Power" rating went down by nearly 450 points!
Some people had a "Power" rating that hardly went down, at all.

What happened?

We changed both the page scoring and point tabulation mechanisms. Page scoring has a wider score distribution, and points actually were increased for the most part (given that most pages have lower scores in the 70-90% range).

I looked at dozens of members before and after. Everyone decreased that I'm aware of, so that is net neutral. Although some by more than others most were in the 10-30% range.

Content pages are worth more now, but people with lots of photos will notice a slightly larger hit. I'll detail more later when I rewrite the FAQs.

Note that you are still on the front page of people as being one of the top contributors. You may have moved up or down a couple spots compared to others but I'd bet not very far.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Jaskic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:05 pm

Overall I like the new look. I haven't gone through all the changes in detail, but aesthetically it's pleasing.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby mrchad9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:10 pm

I gave Josh a pretty hard time as he was developing the new look. That turned out to be a good thing eh?

Just kidding... He deserves pretty much all the credit. And Matt. I just did some bug testing and made trivial suggestions in comparison to their work.

Bubba Suess wrote:
mrchad9 wrote:It selects a batch of recent photos daily based on quality and other factors,

Are the batches only drawn from recent images? What about getting some "deep cuts" put up there? Not that I am complaining, mind you. I am just trying to learn how things work now...

Recent images right now. We have three spots for photos, and I kind of tend to favor at least two of them showing recent additions. I'm rather pleased the mechanism is selecting photos as good as it is given this is the first adjustment. It may even improve too and some may have slipped in before the conversion was complete (I.e. tomorrow might have more surprises). : - )

POTW is a spot where something needs changes later on. Just to make it more interesting.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Redwic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:36 pm

Thanks, Mr. Chad... You seem to be the only one responding to questions today. lol

I immediately could tell that JL had a large hand in the changes. Montana Matt and Alpine Josh... what a pair!
It's amazing how far this website has progressed, in that regard. That never would have happened even two years ago.

Overall, I like the new look. I just wish a PM was sent to the SP members stating the basics of the new changes.
I also like the POTM selection, as it should help photos get votes which might otherwise be overlooked... although I would like to know how long the "moment" is from which the photos are chosen.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Montana Matt » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:41 pm

mrchad9 wrote:Just kidding... He deserves pretty much all the credit. And Matt. I just did some bug testing and made trivial suggestions in comparison to their work.

Josh does deserve the credit for the new look of SP. But Chad, your feedback on many things was immensely helpful too. Without the two of you helping, these changes wouldn't have gotten done anywhere near as well or as quickly. Thank you both very much!
Redwic wrote:Thanks, Mr. Chad... You seem to be the only one responding to questions today. lol

Dude! A man's gotta sleep sometime! :) I'm just getting back online now and will be addressing some of the feedback we're gettting.
Redwic wrote:Overall, I like the new look. I just wish a PM was sent to the SP members stating the basics of the new changes.

Yes, we'll send a PM. Josh wants to write an article. Chad will update the FAQ too sometime soon. All of the changes, along with the impact they may have, should be explained within the next week or so.
Redwic wrote:I would like to know how long the "moment" is from which the photos are chosen.

Photos are selected going back from the last 7 days.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby mrchad9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:46 pm

I told Matt I'd update the FAQ by Thursday.

But if I don't get to it this weekend I'll get it done Monday. I suppose there will be some demand for it by then.

Although first I need to figure out how the FAQ can give me power points.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby visentin » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:25 pm

I think I have the largest drop of all users: lost more than 800 (more 50% of my points), which suddenly kicked me miles away from the rankings first page :D
Well, for sure this is due to my large quantity of photos... Haven't posted new stuff since too long ! :)
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby mrchad9 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:32 pm

visentin wrote:I think I have the largest drop of all users: lost more than 800 (more 50% of my points), which suddenly kicked me miles away from the rankings first page :D
Well, for sure this is due to my large quantity of photos... Haven't posted new stuff since too long ! :)

Sorry about that visentin, but that seemed to be the near consensus on pics. Pics with a high score give you something, but those with 1-2 votes do essentially nothing now. I hope folks continue to add them though to enhance the site and better mountain pages.

Ok if a member with 10000 images isn't too upset about this change then I expect no one else has any issue right???
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Redwic » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:51 pm

Montana Matt wrote:
Redwic wrote:Thanks, Mr. Chad... You seem to be the only one responding to questions today. lol

Dude! A man's gotta sleep sometime! :) I'm just getting back online now and will be addressing some of the feedback we're getting.


I know... That's why I put my "lol" (i.e. I was not being serious)...

You guys (Matt, Josh, Chad, etc.) all did a great job.
There might be a few kinks during the transition period, but in the long run this is a good thing for the website.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Montana Matt » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:19 pm

Redwic wrote:There might be a few kinks during the transition period, but in the long run this is a good thing for the website.

Yes, there will be some kinks. We'll work hard to get them resolved as quickly as possible. These changes are definitely a good thing for the site long term though.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby mike_lindacher » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:00 pm

excellent upgrade!
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Dean » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:58 pm

I just checked back in yesterday and saw all the upgrades you elves have worked hard to put in place. Thank you. I was a bit surprised to see that my power rating had dropped 800 points but now I understand why and I'm fine with it. Kudos for trying to improve not only the look but the way things work.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby nartreb » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:17 am

Overall I like it. The new server seems to be quick, the front page is improved, the scoring system better reflects reality.

The "worst" problem I've found so far is that (I think) the default font is now smaller, so some of my trip reports now have lots of white space around images that previoulsy floated left or right amid the text. Centered photos also behave a tiny bit differently now - they don't force a full break in the layout.
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Montana Matt » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:29 am

nartreb wrote:The "worst" problem I've found so far is that (I think) the default font is now smaller

Hmm, no, the font is the same. Though it may appear smaller because of the well-defined header divs?
nartreb wrote:so some of my trip reports now have lots of white space around images that previoulsy floated left or right amid the text.

What you're describing is most likely due to the fact that we now force a break at every section (blue header) instead of allowing images in one section flow into another section.
nartreb wrote:Centered photos also behave a tiny bit differently now - they don't force a full break in the layout.

Can you give an example of that?
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Re: SP new changes (done)

Postby Josh Lewis » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:44 am

Finally, I perfected it! A single DIV that displays an image which can be seen here: (left and right too)
http://www.summitpost.org/personal-test ... hes/835355

Now keep in mind this page will not display so well on internet explorer because it does not know how to work well with the display:table method. But if this is implemented properly, it will not have any need for the display property.

Anyways, the advantage to this is reduced code needed and hopefully the different image alignments can "act" the same in the sense of them not being so different. At the very least this would make manual inserting of images easy (for example when placing in a large panorama). I'm hoping this method fixes a few issues with more radical formatting.
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