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Postby barrys » Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:23 pm

To get funding I'd imagine the energy drink idea, while of less scientific interest would make funding easier. So many companies looking for a new angle on marketing.........

one that would also be interesting and particularly relevant to high altitude would be the use of oxygenated or oxygenised water. Some studies support it's use for aiding exercise, others disprove it. Again, like energy drinks there are corporations involved who are always looking for a new selling point. But a study at altitude to me sounds far more decisive on it's effects than a bunch of people on exercise bikes in a University. You'd need alot of help to carry all that water though.


edit: ahem, sorry Wouter, now trying to keep it 'general'
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Postby peladoboton » Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:37 pm

the energy drink or the oxygenated water ideas are both of huge interest to me, the only thing i would be concerned with (and the reason why these trials often get done in exercise labs and not in the mountains themselves) is that if the study falls flat on its face (namely if redbull/etc DOESN'T help with altitude) the company could face 'bad press'.

for the energy drink idear i would go about it with caffiene pills, vitamin B12 pills, vitamin B6 pills, and taurine pills if we could get them. all pretty easy to carry, and could be administered rather easily. if it works, then redbull could send us t-shirts or somethings, and our mission to climb a friggin' awesome mountain would be accomplished, hopefully with data to boot.
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Postby taxinvestor » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:02 pm

Get one of those remote controlled choppers and see if it will fly up there in the thin air. If it does, attach a small video camera and get some summit shots from above!
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Postby WouterB » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:43 pm

barrys wrote:edit: ahem, sorry Wouter, now trying to keep it 'general'


I wasn't aiming at you, and sorry in general, just don't want this one to go to PnP. I'm still kind of hoping that we get a cool study out of this one. I remain pretty sure that marketing/money isn't too big of a problem.

Ow and viagra has been testen at altitude before - for it's positive sportive influences.
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Postby SpiderSavage » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:08 pm

Try Vitamin E. Suggest 800 IU per day for two weeks before ascent.

My source says a study done by Canadians in the 1960s showed it increased the ability of the blood to carry and provide oxygen. Or something like that. Study not related to altitude.

My personal tests, and tests with a few others, shows this may enhance ability to go to altitude without suffering symptoms.
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Postby barrys » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:36 pm

Don't worry Wouter, just my way of apologising for my part in putting the topic onto the wrong tangent! I know you've got a serious goal here and I wouldn't want this thread to be filed away with pictures of boobs and beer either. And I'd still love to climb Aconcagua too!!

Just spent a paltry few minutes looking at vitamin E - I've found numerous resources stating it is known to slow down/help with the effects of a high altitude environment but I can't find any references to where the facts comes from. More research needed perhaps?
e.g. http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxida ... aminE.html
http://www.scottishsport.co.uk/running/altitude5.htm

In any case, while I haven't had to use it so far, I fully intend on needing such aid on standby as many times as I possibly can in the future and something that doesn't make me wanna pee all the time would be much appreciated. I'm far from being qualified to talk about anything apart from an asthma study but I still think something with a commercial/corporate angel will be most likely to bring in funding. I'd rather be wrong about that.
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Postby peladoboton » Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:55 pm

so lets puts some data to it, boys!!!!

i say we go for various supplements if possible.

i can smell the beef/mate/B.O./mule shit already!!!!!!

(i better go get on the treadmill tonight)
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Postby RickF » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:47 am

fatdad wrote:The effects on vision of people who have had radial keratotomy. I heard of instance of people on Everest having vision problems. Supposedly the lack of air pressure at higher altitudes permits the eyes to bulge out more, but I don't know if this theory has ever been tested or at what altitude the effects become noticeable.


The very well known case of this was Beck Wethers on Everest in 1996. His vision difficulties were only the beginning of much bigger problems that followed.
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Postby xDoogiex » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:41 am

The effect of high altitude on hot teachers. Hopefully they could fund me.
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Postby WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:49 am

xDoogiex wrote:The effect of high altitude on hot teachers. Hopefully they could fund me.


I'm guessing they'll have to "fund" the teachers for that one. :wink:
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Postby WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:59 am

I've also been thinking about studies that don't heavily rely on funding. One I came up with is altitudes influence on taste. I guess most of us have been in the situation that your favorite food at sea level is totally unbearable at altitude.

I must admit that the idea of testing the effects of supplements at altitude/on acclimatisation is starting to grow more and more on me. I've consistently had acclimatisation difficulties in the past, so finding a solution (or something that eases the pain) does sound good to me.
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Postby peladoboton » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:59 am

sjarelkwint wrote:
peladoboton wrote:so lets puts some data to it, boys!!!!


2012 was said?


yup, the month of January
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Postby peladoboton » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:04 pm

WouterB wrote:I've also been thinking about studies that don't heavily rely on funding. One I came up with is altitudes influence on taste. I guess most of us have been in the situation that your favorite food at sea level is totally unbearable at altitude.

I must admit that the idea of testing the effects of supplements at altitude/on acclimatisation is starting to grow more and more on me. I've consistently had acclimatisation difficulties in the past, so finding a solution (or something that eases the pain) does sound good to me.


yeah, i'm the same. when i was 20 i took a bus ride from sea level where i had been living in chile to 4300m to Lago Chungara on the Bolivian border. though it was slow i went for a great hike. last year, i had some problems at 3800m on a trip where i had plenty of time to acclimatize.

i like the cobalt idea a lot as its cheap and seems to be a pre-trip treatment that folks could take before the trip and then we could just go climb a mountain. i think its one of many great ideas we should have on the table at this point, though.
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Postby peladoboton » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:06 pm

squishy wrote:Alcohol consumption...


i hear a lot of people get sauced at base camp after the climb, Squish, so we could individualize a "study" for you :D
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