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Postby WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:55 pm

sjarelkwint wrote:
peladoboton wrote:
squishy wrote:Alcohol consumption...

i hear a lot of people get sauced at base camp after the climb, Squish, so we could individualize a "study" for you :D


Last year I've been drinking a bottle of wine with 2 persons at iceberg lake (Mt Whitney - 3900m???) And I was giggling like a 12 year old girl who drank alcohol for the first time in het life ...

It was great :-D


Sounds like saturday :o
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Postby WouterB » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:31 pm

Borut Kantušer wrote:Sjarelkwint,are you suggesting to smoke in the valley so as to get used to being out of breath when you're up higher?


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Postby WouterB » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:21 pm

Christine,

Good to hear from you again and thanks a lot for the rather lenghty contribution. I'm still very much interested in this, as I'm still set on a) climbing Aconcagua in 2012 and b) helping out summit post user Peladoboton, who is the one that will actually be conducting the research. I'll forward your contribution to him, as I read that he won't be online for a while because of his exams.

Thanks again!
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Postby peladoboton » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:34 pm

i like your train of thought, kristine.

i am still interested in l-arginine myself, but the vitamin E could be a great one to lood at. n-acetyl-cystine would be awesome because you can get it over the counter for dirt cheap in the form of 'mucomyst'. i have not seen any data on that one where altitude is concerned.

i also would love to look at sleep stages at altitude (especially as i just bagged my climbing day after two days without sleep in iowa and driving straight out to colorado last night....and hardly having energy to get out of bed now that i'm a mile higher....the four days of heavy training last week which ended with a 55 mile bike ride and a long treadmill session could have something to with it)....all the easter treats at my mom's is seeming to help, though.

i also agree that getting enough folks involved is an issue. the number of people needed to actually get statistical power is about the number of people that attempt aconcagua each year. if we were crazy enough we could attempt to do this over a number of years in a location such as colorado or france where altitude is attained easily to 13.5K+ feet.
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Postby Brad Marshall » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:30 pm

Here's a research project. Like many women out there my daughter suffers from constant headaches varying in degrees of pain. She felt it was linked to changes in weather and her symptoms sounded very similar to AMS. Out of curiousity, I'm in research, I decided to chart here daily pain level versus the local barometric pressure. Over three months there was definitely a correlation. Whenever the local barometric pressure dropped her pain level increased. The faster the drop the larger the jump in pain level. I then checked how quickly the barometric pressure changed when low pressure zones entered the area and to my disbelief it was much faster than climbers when they ascend a mountain. Many women around the world suffer from headaches (migraines) and believe they are triggered by weather patterns. Could it be that something in their genetic makeup is allowing them to be affected by changes in barometric pressure below 10,000 feet when most of us are not?

If this was the case and you could find out why think of all the people around the world that could be helped!
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Postby drpw » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:11 pm

I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.
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Postby peladoboton » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:48 pm

drpw wrote:I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.


the stoners likely are very used to have thier physiology messed with on a regular basis compared with the non-touchers (the group i happen to find myself in)....

....i have always thought about ed vieturs' comment on how he spent hundred of hours swimming growing up, and pushing himself to take fewer and fewer breaths while doing so to push his system to be able to take more stress ('No Shortcuts To The Top')
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Postby drpw » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:00 pm

peladoboton wrote:
drpw wrote:I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.


the stoners likely are very used to have thier physiology messed with on a regular basis compared with the non-touchers (the group i happen to find myself in)....

....i have always thought about ed vieturs' comment on how he spent hundred of hours swimming growing up, and pushing himself to take fewer and fewer breaths while doing so to push his system to be able to take more stress ('No Shortcuts To The Top')


Almost every competitive swimmer does some sort of hypoxic workout. I did a lot of hypoxic swimming since I was a long distance swimmer and I used it as a sort of relaxation excersize for the first half of a lot of my swims. I have not ever had any trouble with altitude up to 14,500 except for breathing a little harder.
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Postby peladoboton » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:22 am

drpw wrote:
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drpw wrote:I think the pot study would actually be very interesting. When I'm hiking and climbing with my regular group, there are stoners and people who won't touch the stuff, and every time without fail, the stoners have no problem with altitude while those who don't smoke have missed out on a few summits due to altitude problems.


the stoners likely are very used to have thier physiology messed with on a regular basis compared with the non-touchers (the group i happen to find myself in)....

....i have always thought about ed vieturs' comment on how he spent hundred of hours swimming growing up, and pushing himself to take fewer and fewer breaths while doing so to push his system to be able to take more stress ('No Shortcuts To The Top')


Almost every competitive swimmer does some sort of hypoxic workout. I did a lot of hypoxic swimming since I was a long distance swimmer and I used it as a sort of relaxation excersize for the first half of a lot of my swims. I have not ever had any trouble with altitude up to 14,500 except for breathing a little harder.


in all honesty, that sounds like a smashing study if we could get everybody to go do some hypoxic training (or even put in a couple of miles of swimming a week prior to a climb at altitude).
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