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Re: The borders of Europe

Postby MoapaPk » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:39 pm

Folks usually put the Urals about on the border. Check Wikipedia for "continent" and follow the links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe#Definition
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Re: The borders of Europe

Postby surgent » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:08 pm

A prominence-based definition, courtesy Adam Helman and Petter Bjorstad (summarized for length):

Were sea levels to rise, when would Europe be a separate land mass from Asia? The answer is a series of "low points" formed by rivers and lakes connecting the Black Sea to the Arctic, with some land-hopping to connect the various waterways: Black Sea -> Strait of Kerch -> Don River -> Volga River -> Rybinskoye Lake -> Sukhova River -> Dvina River -> Arctic Ocean. (Please pardon any misspellings).

Applying this same rubric to the Americas would separate North and South America in Nicaragua, which seems awkward.

Of course, were sea levels to lower, Asia and North America would connect again at the Bering Strait, and Australia and some of the New Guinea/Indonesian islands may connect. Africa and Europe may connect again at the strait of Gibraltar.

So... there is no definitive answer.
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Re: The borders of Europe

Postby Jow » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:46 pm

Per Ginge Fullen who according to Guinness was first person to climb highest point of all countries in Europe (and Africa) there is 47 countries in "Europe" he lists them on his site link below.

http://www.gingefullen.com/projects.html
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Re: The borders of Europe

Postby Andrew Rankine » Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:21 am

I often wonder this question as well. Since Europe isn't really a continent, because it is on the Eurasian Plate, there are different definitions. Because the boundary of Europe is not rooted in tectonics, I think it must then have to do a bit with culture as well as geography. But it is tough. Turkey, for example, is mostly an Asian nation that has some territory in Europe. Though Mount Ararat, the Turkish highpoint is over 1,000 miles into Asia, about 20 miles from the summit is Yerevan, Armenia. Armenia is by some considered to be European, as are Azerbaijan and Georgia. But, if these are not European Countries, how can Elbrus, highpoint of Russia and "Europe," be European considering it is within 10 miles of the Georgian border?

I plan to climb all of the European Country highpoints next year, and so I will have to decide for myself what is "European."

For now, I think that Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan are not European (let me know what you guys think, I have not extensively researched the area). Culturally they share some aspects of European origin and some of Central Asia. But, I think they are not because economically they are more similar to Central Asia. Elbrus is the problem becuase if I rule Georgia to be Asian, how can I call a peak European that is 10 miles away from Asia? Russia is definitely European, so I think that it should be included.

It is a tough call, because the border is entirely made up.
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Re: The borders of Europe

Postby lcarreau » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:20 am

Dude ! This man knows a hell of a lot 'bout boundaries ..

http://www.summitpost.org/users/yatsek/44440

But, don't get on the subject of Bohemia, cause you probably won't hear the end of it ...... :shock:
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Re: The borders of Europe

Postby yatsek » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:17 pm

lcarreau wrote:Dude ! This man knows a hell of a lot 'bout boundaries ..

http://www.summitpost.org/users/yatsek/44440

But, don't get on the subject of Bohemia, cause you probably won't hear the end of it ...... :shock:

This obliges me to say something :wink: so I'd say you have a choice.

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Mine would probably be line A in the east and H (or I or G) in the south.
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