Vitaliy M wrote:Aid climbers use aid for sections they cannot climb, and do not claim that they climbed a 5.15 if they used aid to get up that section right?
Exactly. So a paraplegic or quad climber who uses rope to get up RNWF Half Dome or El Cap is using what means they have to ascend the face.
Sometime when you start leading you may find yourself over your head. Maybe you will pull on gear. Maybe you will get pumped out and hang. That's aid climbing too. But it's better than a broken ankle.
I think you may want to spend some time around real aid / big wall climbers before you get all huffy about ratings and stuff .. they live by different rules, let me tell you
To be honest, I first thought as you did -- when I was first injured and lying in a hospital bed, being prepared for life in a wheelchair, someone brought me a copy of a news clipping about Mark Wellman's ascent of Half Dome via rope ascension. I said, "that's not climbing !"
Well, guess what -- RNWF HD is rated 5.12 / 5.9 C1. How many folks do you know can free climb 5.12 ? Most have to use aid on that route.
And it's nice that you free climbed the T-bolt summit block without aiding on the rope. But you still did it with a toprope. Have you ever heard the old saying "If you're not leading, you're not climbing" ?
The point I'm making is that it's easy to scoff at other people's accomplishments and make up arbitrary rules that people should follow. Living by those rules is a different matter however