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Postby Day Hiker » Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:03 am

1000Pks wrote:Yes, doing my own search, I found there is Wi-Fi from the Furnace Creek V.C., although if it is not on at night, or 24/7, it's not much good to me. My idea is free access covering all of Stovepipe Wells. If they were with it, they'd have 811n and 54 Mbs for all users. Makes use of the land lines to bring that in, now that most all have cells.

Sadly, with budget as the reason, they long have had no showers there, or now I think even a water faucet. This forces everyone to obtain lodging, where I surmise there is access. $$$$ for the concessionaires, which helps us all (economy).


No water faucet? Where? There is supposed to be water and flush toilets at all 4 campgrounds around Stovepipe Wells and Furnace Creek.

http://www.nps.gov/deva/planyourvisit/camping.htm

Even if the website is somehow wrong, I know for sure that they have sinks, faucets, and water at Sunset and Texas Springs campgrounds because I was just there a couple weekends ago.
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:18 am

1000Pks wrote:The DPS guide proclaims 7 hours r.t. for Virgin from the 2WD start (Moapa Peak is 6 hrs r.t.).


My experience is that the DPS guide (at least, the Cd-ROM version) is way out of date w.r.t. road rating. Especially for BLM roads, the philosophy has been : no maintenance and natural decay. Many of the "2wd" roads are now in terrible condition, and maybe were more apt for the days when 2wd cars had 200 hp and 8" clearance.
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:41 am

1000Pks wrote:I've found the DPS guide is pretty good and well worth the money. Though I only have the third edition and now it's been awhile since the 5th (latest) edition came out. Anybody with recent info on getting to the DPS 2WD start?


Pete, I'm having a tough time with the context. If you mean access to Virgin, I think I mentioned that above. The SP page on Virgin, form 2005, looks accurate. I doubt the road has spontaneously gotten better. With careful driving, some of the 4x4 road mentioned in the SP article could be handled by a more modest car.

I've found the DPS road guides to be inaccurate in at least these places: Clark; Tipton (the 4wd route has large boulders across it); Porter and Sentinel by the east; Kingston from the west; Avawatz from the east; NY Mountain from the NE; McCollough from the west; Granite Mojave (where an illegal trespass is indicated); and Mitchell from the east. I'm sure I'd find others if I thought harder. The basic trouble is that a lot of the roads have decayed or been closed since the guide was originally written.
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:38 am

Virgin Roads: On the topo map, Look for the 1640 meter contour on the gravel road; this is the road that heads N, just a ways east of Quail Point. A modest 4x4 had to stop there, so the 2wd access has to end before that point. That's a lonely road, so I wouldn't go up it without the usual desert emergency stuff.

The washout in 2004 was extensive, and used the road as the channel, so there is actually a deep pit running parallel to and within the roadbed in places.
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Postby Bob Burd » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:19 pm

MoapaPk wrote:Virgin Roads: On the topo map, Look for the 1640 meter contour on the gravel road; this is the road that heads N, just a ways east of Quail Point. A modest 4x4 had to stop there, so the 2wd access has to end before that point. That's a lonely road, so I wouldn't go up it without the usual desert emergency stuff.

The washout in 2004 was extensive, and used the road as the channel, so there is actually a deep pit running parallel to and within the roadbed in places.


fwiw, we were there a few weeks ago and drove Bill's Suburu all the way to the washout point a bit more than a mile from Quail Point. Nothing can drive beyond that point. The road up to Quail Point was in excellent condition and easily navigable. After that, I wouldn't bother driving unless you have 4x4 or high clearance. The extra hiking distance isn't a big deal. And there were lots of motor homes and OHV folks parked around Whitney Pocket a few miles to the west, so it didn't seem lonely at all.

And for WiFi at Stovepipe Wells in DV, Just go to the rec room of the motel across the street. There's usually a few folks with laptops in there using the free WiFi.

Pete - stop making excuses and just go out and climb something, with or without someone to join you. Beats sitting at home and it will do you a world of good. Remember, "Going out is going home". Muir, I think.
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:58 pm

I meant that the road N of Quail Point is lonely. In any case, I just checked and a normal 2wd is supposedly limited to 0.8 to 1.0 miles up this last rough road, just before the corral.

From that point, you walk a short ways and just mount the ridge before the 4x4 road turns R up the canyon. It's about 5 miles each way and 4300' accumulated to the summit from there.

Or you can walk up the old road to the dps suggested left turn up the ridge.
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:23 pm

If you go up Frenchman, park west of the peak down by the Mormon Temple (or whatever road now allows access, NOT on Lake Mead Blvd (vandalism).

There are a lot of nice peaks out by Lake Mead Northshore and Redstone (both on SP) let you park away from vandals, on a paved road.
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Postby Bob Burd » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:05 pm

btw, at the Virgin TH, right where the road is washed out, I found a pile of bills buried under a rock and dirt nearby:

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If you run into Orson Dimick while you're out there, let him know I have his auto and medical insurance bills in case he comes looking for them. They appear to be way past due... :wink:
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Postby MoapaPk » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:43 pm

BB: I'll look for Orson Dimick, but that's such a common name.

1000pks: There are some summits in VofF; CP knows much more about that. Bob Sihler has some pics for VofF peaks on SP; perhaps even a TR. It's a pretty area, even for just wandering amid the sandstone.

Tipton is the obvious highpoint of the Cerbats: I suspect you have done that. The road is a lot rougher than implied in the old DPS guide. The North Cerbats will have the same access issues.

The one last "move" on Hualapi is officially harder than class 3, but it's very short with almost no exposure. Taller people probably have little trouble. I'm 5'6" and I just mantled up. Some people just reach over the edge and touch the benchmark. That peak will certainly have a little snow right now. You can cut cross country or if you are willing to lose some elevation and do switchbacks, take a road almost to the top.. Aspen Peak (in the middle of the Potato Patch loop) is actually prettier; the trail is up the W side to start, and turns to a use trail near the top.

One of my favorites out by Lake Mead is this:
http://hwstock.org/sentLVMC/

If you just go up the eastern part, and come back down the same way, it's fairly mild, mainly class 2, 9 miles RT and about 2500' accumulated gain. There's even a way to do the final steep ramp by an almost-class 2 route.
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