by rbuswold » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:58 pm
by surgent » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:11 pm
by Doublecabin » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:19 pm
by MoapaPk » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:35 pm
by Arthur Digbee » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:17 am
rbuswold wrote:Hello everyone, I'd like to get some opinions from you real quick if you're a little bored and have some time on your hands. I'm writing a proposal paper for one of my classes about limiting vehicular traffic in NPS land, the effects of automobile pollution, etc. I'd like to know if anyone has some interesting suggestions of alternatives to automobile access, counter-arguments, obscure effects of automobile pollution, etc. Pretty much anything goes as long as it's somehow related to the topic. So, what do you think?
by MoapaPk » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:54 am
by Day Hiker » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:53 am
MoapaPk wrote:The buses in Zion Canyon seem like a great success; they arrive frequently, and greatly eliminate the parking problems. There was a noticeable smog in the Canyon before the buses.
by MoapaPk » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:25 am
by Buz Groshong » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:29 pm
by Bob Sihler » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:30 pm
by Bob Sihler » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:34 pm
Buz Groshong wrote:it was all lined up about half a mile behind a motorized "camper" that was slowly crawling up the next hill.
by MoapaPk » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:58 pm
by Arthur Digbee » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:17 pm
Bob Sihler wrote:At the risk of going off a rant, I'll say that I think the biggest source of traffic problems in national parks is the RV crowd and that if those damned road-hogging, corner-cutting, visibility-obstructing monstrosities were banned, you'd see instant improvement.
by Buz Groshong » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:50 pm
Bob Sihler wrote:I've used the shuttles in Glacier, Grand Canyon, and Zion.
The Glacier system works pretty well, especially for shuttle hikes, but there are some drawbacks. One is that you can't get a really early start if you're spending a long day in the alpine. Another is that since GTTSR is still open to all vehicles, the trip can still be really slow. It might be a better idea to close the road to vehicles arriving between, say, 8 A.M. and 5 P.M.
The buses in Grand Canyon are okay and definitely help with the frustration of driving around there, but the South Rim is still a zoo, and nothing is going to improve it short of limiting passenger vehicles drastically, which won't happen.
The Zion system works well because there is no other traffic and the buses run very frequently, but I share Day Hiker's complaint about the difficulties of an early start and a late finish. Again, I would suggest allowing vehicles into the canyon as long as they arrived before a certain early hour or after a certain late one.
by HungarySagehen » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:57 pm
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