mattyj wrote:Kahuna wrote:BTW: If "Trad" Pro (i.e. CAMS cus Stoppers should not be "walking". If they are, then one has a more dire issue that requires addressing), is properly placed, "walking" is a moot point thus the use of "draws" is adequate. Right?
I don't follow this. Are you suggesting that only poorly placed gear is susceptible to walking?
1. I do hope you realize that "Stoppers" should never "walk". If they do, then the placement is totally suspect in the first place.
2. If a CAM, regardless the Manufacture, is placed in an even Parrallel Crack system, it will "walk". That is a given. Ironically, if one utilizes a "4-6" draw" instead of a 24" standard "runner" unless it is applied in the shortened Alpine Draw length (then it is no different than a standard draw), it will allow the CAM to possibly walk the entire 24" length and making it almost impossible to be retrieved by the 2nd.
3. For my original point, when a CAM is properly placed in an other than above scenario #2, it will not "wallk" due to a natural "stop" inside the crack preventing it from doing so. When placing a CAM in cracks, I almost always locate a natural stop in the crack within a reasonable depth that allows for this measure. Amazingly, I have found many variables in cracks such as a inwardly tappering crack system or a inward protusion or jammed rock etc that prevents the CAM from walking any deeper than where I originally placed it.