Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:48 pm
If we had SAR like the Swiss, I'd get lost just to have one of the those big dogs bring me a cask of brandy.
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ksolem wrote:Would it be fair to say that what happenned in your Mt Langley scenario was a failure to function of the already existing system? You say the military crew was all spun up and ready to go when they saw your spot, but never got the call from some dispatcher?
Dingus Milktoast wrote:The Chief wrote:ksolem wrote:Switzerland is just under 16,000 square miles. One time zone...
California alone is 158000 square miles. The US is 3.79 million square miles. To propose a national SAR along the lines of the Swiss is quite a grand plan. I suspect that if such a design were undertaken, the first thing implemented would be limitations on where one could travel in the wild due to the limits of SAR capability.
Ah Kris, take a look at all the AF, ANG, CG and Naval Air Station locations throughout CA and around the U.S.
Don't need to implement anything. Just do as the Swiss do, use the military as the prime SAR vehicle. They are already in place here in the U.S. and ready to respond. All that may have to be done is add an asset or two here and there. The Bone Yard is the first place to look.Dingus Milktoast wrote:Guyzo wrote:I consider having to be rescued as the ultimate humiliation as a climber.
BINGO.
DMT
The Best of the Best have had to have their asses Rescued. In most of those cases, they had no control over their situ (weather. avy's etc) and had they not gotten plucked off/out, they'd be dead! They are all very GRATEFUL that the folks came to save their asses btw.
Don't misunderstand chief... I don't project this onto other climbers, at all.
Avoiding my own sense of failure is a great source of strength when shit hits the fan, which it has for me, several times.
That's all I meant, buddy.
DMT
Guyzo wrote:I think the whole deal with your last- fatal-deal... was a complete screw up by the authorties.
You did what you had to do, they fumbled the ball.
But back to the OP.
I think it's best to have zero expectations of a rescue, that way, you get prepared to handle anything.
Heck I remember when El Cap climbers would make a "Last will and Testament" before heading out.
The Chief wrote:Guyzo wrote:I think the whole deal with your last- fatal-deal... was a complete screw up by the authorties.
You did what you had to do, they fumbled the ball.
But back to the OP.
I think it's best to have zero expectations of a rescue, that way, you get prepared to handle anything.
Heck I remember when El Cap climbers would make a "Last will and Testament" before heading out.
That is why I am doing what I can to better simplify a system that is already in place to make it more efficient for all.
Oh yeah, then along came YOSAR. It was indeed created by those same folks that quickly realized the W & T gig wasn't too good of an idea after all.
Lolli wrote:ksolem wrote:Switzerland is just under 16,000 square miles. One time zone...
California alone is 158000 square miles. The US is 3.79 million square miles. To propose a national SAR along the lines of the Swiss is quite a grand plan. I suspect that if such a design were undertaken, the first thing implemented would be limitations on where one could travel in the wild due to the limits of SAR capability.
But Schweiz doesn't have Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Florida, etc
not much need for a SAR there, is it?
Lolli wrote:ksolem wrote:Switzerland is just under 16,000 square miles. One time zone...
California alone is 158000 square miles. The US is 3.79 million square miles. To propose a national SAR along the lines of the Swiss is quite a grand plan. I suspect that if such a design were undertaken, the first thing implemented would be limitations on where one could travel in the wild due to the limits of SAR capability.
But Schweiz doesn't have Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Florida, etc
not much need for a SAR there, is it?
Lolli wrote::lol:
Yes, god forbid one studies, adapts, and uses a working system from a smaller country.
Somehow it reminds me of a drowned New Orleans and the refusal to use the same kind of system as in the Netherlands...
ksolem wrote:If we copy the Swiss SAR system, can I keep a machine gun in my home too?
The Chief wrote:ksolem wrote:If we copy the Swiss SAR system, can I keep a machine gun in my home too?
Why would you need a machine gun?????
C'mon... please don't start!
Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:When I went to do a winter solo of the Leaning Tower in Yosemite, I didn't even tell my family or girlfriend of my plans. No friggin' rescue.
You're on your own. I've crawled out of the wilderness on bloody knees when I fell free-soloing and broke my ankle. No friggin' rescue.
Self-sufficiency is what it's all about.
Lolli wrote:eh... is that latter an argument?
You don't think it would have been worth it? For the people living there, and for the economy? New Orleans was one of the world's largest harbours. Billions was lost in the wake of Katrina.
But, I won't argue with you - if you don't think an entire city like New Orleans is worth saving, then I understand you won't think one single climber is worth saving.