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Dingus Milktoast wrote:

MoapaPk wrote:In winter, we were all so bundled that any intimacy was out of the question.

I can't imagine such a scenario! You weren't wearing them Mormon Jammies were you? The ones without any buttons????

DMT

I'm thinking about nighttime in the lean-to, when it was -15F outside, and we were all in those old-fashioned mummy bags, the ones that had feet shaped like... feet. When you wore a wool balaclava to bed, pulled down across your face...

My pants had lots of buttons, because they were surplus felt navy blues.

Did you say manual?

You mean, you have to unfasten the buttons manually ??? ??

I just lost my primary rock, ice, mountaineering partner to his insecure girlfriend. I guess he is one of the honest ones since he won't lie to her, which I think is wonderful. It sucks that they both felt the need to turn this into some kind of choice. It sucks when people feel the need to lie. Why can't people just climb and be cool?

Foxy Long Bottoms wrote:I just lost my primary rock, ice, mountaineering partner to his insecure girlfriend. I guess he is one of the honest ones since he won't lie to her, which I think is wonderful. It sucks that they both felt the need to turn this into some kind of choice. It sucks when people feel the need to lie. Why can't people just climb and be cool?

Good question.

+1

Maybe people aren't picturing all the extremes.

I used to hike (up to low class 5) with a woman who was quite svelte and tended to wear skimpy clothes. She had been married 9 times (in many different countries), and tended to make overtly sexual and flirtatious comments (<<voulez vous coucher avec moi?>>). Her standard way of greeting me at the start of a trip, was to jump up and wrap her legs around my waist. People who witnessed this ritual made bawdy comments.

I think her rituals were mainly an act to help build her persona, but many normally sedate wives were jealous of her.

There was no way in the world that I was going to go alone with her, even on a day hike. We were always went with at least one other person.

MoapaPk wrote:Maybe people aren't picturing all the extremes.

Extremes have nothing to do with it. If you're going to cheat, you will find a way. If your wife doesn't understand that, she is going to be uptight anytime you go anywhere with out her. if the problem is that you don't trust yourself, that is a bigger issue for your marriage. (Not meant to be personal since I don't know you, just a general comment.)

The comments here seem to mostly fall along the lines of "if your spouse is uncomfortable with anything you do, your relationship is in trouble." Which seems pretty extreme, given the lack of specific information anyone ever has about others' relationships.

I'm going to jump here in on Moapa's side. Relationships are about give and take. I spend a lot more time in the outdors than my wife does. She is not jealous, but there are certain situations she is ok with, others she is not. I know this, and I try to plan accordingly. This does not mean doom and gloom for our future (we've been married 7 years). It just means that we are all human, and sometimes our emotions are irrational. Knowing this doesn't change it, it just means we acknowledge it and do our best to be sensitive to each other.

The notion that a man and a woman can't do things together alone, especially if it involves spending a night, is merely the start of that slippery slope that ends with women wearing burkas because "men can't resist their impulses." I think most of us tend toward that slope a bit though, so if a couple recognizes it and deals with it honestly that's a good thing.

Buz Groshong wrote:is merely the start of that slippery slope that ends with women wearing burkas because "men can't resist their impulses."

My wife did say that if the woman with the skimpy clothes wore a burka, that would be OK.

I believe I lost a climbing partner due to his wife's jealousy. It sucked! What really got me was when the wife, who was also a friend, complained to me that I was spending more time with her husband than she was. When asked if she wanted me to quit climbing with him, she said no. But shortly thereafter, my partner quit climbing. I can only believe it was due to his wife's jealousy. But what really got me was that she spent most weekends paragliding, something my partner was not interested in. So I figure she really owed me a thank you for getting her husband out of the house, so she could go do what she wanted to. Geeze....

Reminds me how lucky I am that I was able to get my husband into hiking, camping and finally climbing! Don't have to worry about such issues.
That said, most of my climbing partners, before my husband, were men and the only issue that ever arose was when another female climber was interested in dating one of my climbing partners.

squishy wrote:

lcarreau wrote:(In my later years, I was kinda glad it worked out that way!)

BULLSHIT...

HAHAHAHA! OMG, my sides hurt from laughing!

Foxy Long Bottoms wrote:I just lost my primary rock, ice, mountaineering partner to his insecure girlfriend. I guess he is one of the honest ones since he won't lie to her, which I think is wonderful. It sucks that they both felt the need to turn this into some kind of choice. It sucks when people feel the need to lie. Why can't people just climb and be cool?

Man, that sucks. Sorry to hear about this, Tracy. Was it Brian?
You know, friend of mine just moved to Boulder. He got back recently from a huge trip to Castleton, El Cap and 2 weeks at Indian Creek. He's been looking for someone to get out with since he's still fresh to the area.

MoapaPk wrote:

Buz Groshong wrote:is merely the start of that slippery slope that ends with women wearing burkas because "men can't resist their impulses."

My wife did say that if the woman with the skimpy clothes wore a burka, that would be OK.

MarthaP wrote:I know women who’ll fuck anything that moves

I think I've known some women sort of like that. For some reason I wind up thinking that they're actually interrested in me. I guess I just get kind of dumb sometimes!

I have lived with my girlfriend for almost four years and most of my climbing partners are female, some of which she introduced me to. come to think about it the only climbing partners I have lost are male due to the fact that I take them away from there S.O's for to long my G.F. does have friends of the opposite sex that she spends time with and sometimes spends the night with, and it all seems to work. yay for trust