Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:14 pm
Regardless of her ability and achievements, the mountaineering boots are still funny and totally unnecessary.
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Day Hiker wrote:Regardless of her ability and achievements, the mountaineering boots are still funny and totally unnecessary.
Diggler wrote:jonesa37 wrote:MoapaPk wrote:jonesa37 wrote:I don't want to sound like an asshole
Then...?
touche shoulda just left that out then
but spending approx. $353,474 doesn't make you a climber it just means you can afford to have yourself brought up the mountains.
How about Link cams, Camalots, & expensive nylon dry ropes? Local porters & guides that live in many of the areas that we 'Westerners' dream of climbing will never be able to afford these extravagent toys to climb up a steep rock- they're too busy trying to scrape by. Also, the air doesn't get any thicker at 8,000m regardless of how much you've spent to be there. You really think that criticizing a lady (who saves stranded cats in her freetime) that is over twice as old as you & has summited Everest isn't poor form?? Just some things to think about.
Diggler wrote:jonesa37 wrote:MoapaPk wrote:jonesa37 wrote:I don't want to sound like an asshole
Then...?
touche shoulda just left that out then
but spending approx. $353,474 doesn't make you a climber it just means you can afford to have yourself brought up the mountains.
How about Link cams, Camalots, & expensive nylon dry ropes? Local porters & guides that live in many of the areas that we 'Westerners' dream of climbing will never be able to afford these extravagent toys to climb up a steep rock- they're too busy trying to scrape by. Also, the air doesn't get any thicker at 8,000m regardless of how much you've spent to be there. You really think that criticizing a lady (who saves stranded cats in her freetime) that is over twice as old as you & has summited Everest isn't poor form?? Just some things to think about.
Diggler wrote:Anybody who mocks/critiques the techniques of a caring lady who saves a cat with any kind of seriousness needs to get a life. And if you haven't climbed an 8000-m peak, you probably have no idea of how difficult it is to function at that altitude. Props to her for saving the cat, using safe techniques, & to summiting Everest (& the others).
Diggler wrote:You really think that criticizing a lady (who saves stranded cats in her freetime) that is over twice as old as you & has summited Everest is in poor form?? Just some things to think about.
Mountainjeff wrote:This thread has gotten way out of control. It is starting to resemble CascadeClimbers.com a bit too much for comfort.
jonesa37 wrote: The thing is true alpinism is based on ones own research on the climb, planning the route obtaining the gear, the food, the travel, permits, their own decisions on when to summit, when to turn around, these are all qualities of a real climber. It doesn't make you a climber if you pay someone to do all that for you
OJ Loenneker wrote:jonesa37 wrote: The thing is true alpinism is based on ones own research on the climb, planning the route obtaining the gear, the food, the travel, permits, their own decisions on when to summit, when to turn around, these are all qualities of a real climber. It doesn't make you a climber if you pay someone to do all that for you
Really? Well, as far as I am concerned, you are a "climber" if you "climb".
There sure are alot of elitist attitudes around the word "climber". I never understand this. If you go up something, you climbed it, right? If you went from down stairs to the upstairs you most likely "climbed" the stairs right?
These stupid argument about what is and what is not "climbing" or a "climber" are just plain really stupid. But alas, some people have to create some kind of elitist surrounding to make them selves "seem special" from others.
When my co workers ask me what I did last weekend, I usually just tell them I went skiing. I don't get all elaborate and tell them it was off the summit of say, Mt. St. Helens, because that would make me a braggart.
The best "climber" is the one having the most fun.
jonesa37 wrote:
these are all valid points, I am merely suggesting that when someone is held in such high regard, with their climbing feats, I feel that it should be based on their own complete effort and not that of a guiding service. Yes what ever you do that is vertical could be considered "climbing" but you are then arguing the definition of just climbing I am specifically talking about alpine achievements. When I summit a climb, for myself it has been through my own planning and preparation.
phydeux wrote: In short, she climbs all these well known peaks, then gives motivational speeches to raise MORE money to go on MORE climbing trips, from which she'll do MORE motivational sppeches to raise still MORE money to go on MORE climbing trips . . . .