Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:17 am
OJ Loenneker wrote:jonesa37 wrote:
these are all valid points, I am merely suggesting that when someone is held in such high regard, with their climbing feats, I feel that it should be based on their own complete effort and not that of a guiding service. Yes what ever you do that is vertical could be considered "climbing" but you are then arguing the definition of just climbing I am specifically talking about alpine achievements. When I summit a climb, for myself it has been through my own planning and preparation.
It's one thing to plan, and execute a climb of some peak in Washington State where you live, and a whole other thing to climb a 8000M peak in some third world country. People usually do not climb those kind of mountains own their own. Usually there is some sort of team, and never in a "alpine single push"... so, I still don't see how if someone decides that it is worth the money to hire someone who will handle all the logistics (porters, food, sherpas to move that shit around, and a few guides who know the mountain) they all of the sudden are not considered "climbers"? Do you not think that all these "celeb" climbers that are breaking all sorts of records on the 8000M peaks are not using porters, sherpas etc. for their climbs? Is Ed Viesteurs not a "real" climber either? Where do you draw the line?
Ed viesters, Jim Whittaker... and many others climbed by their own means don't even compare this woman with those true climbers....