Re: Could I do Aconcagua?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:01 pm
Scott wrote:you asked for a mountain name
Wrong; that's not what I asked. Here was the question:
Please show us one expedition to a 7000 meter peak that uses supplemental oxygen for anything but emergency use.
And:
Even on all the guided trips that I know of, they don't use supplemental oxygen. Can you show us one expedition, guided or otherwise that commonly uses it for an 7000 meter peak?
A tourist using oxygen on Mt Fuji is not an expedition, neither is using it at sea level. Further, Everest View Hotel at around 3880 meters also has oxygen available in their rooms. Some ski resorts in Colorado do as well. That is not what is being referred to. People using oxygen on Fuji, in a hospital, at a ski resort, or in a hotel room has nothing to do with Aconcagua or the norms of or "general rules" of mountaineering. Your point is that because someone uses it on Fuji, it is a required above 7000 meters and everyone who disagrees with you is attacked and is somehow claiming that no one should ever use oxygen? The truth is that it is actually extremely rare to use for non emergency use on expeditions (even if it is for a beginner climber on a fully guided expedition), except when climbing 8000 meter peaks and only on 8000 meter peaks is it common or normal to use on an expedition. Emergency use is different. It is used for emergencies on many mountains, including Aconcagua (which should be the topic here). As mentioned, some people have used it to climb even Denali, but it isn't common, the norm, or a general rule.Messner climbed all 14 without artificial oxygen, do you mean every hiker should do so as well?
No one said that.
The only thing that anyone has disagreed with is that most people use it for a 7000 peak or that it is required. Most people do not. It is actually extremely rare that they do. A few people on Mt Fuji is not the norm.
The other disagreement was that you recommend medications to Here is the thing, people experience different level of effect above 3000m, some need medication to proceed, and that it is a basic guide to use it at 3000 meters.
That is is a basic guide or the norm for 3000 meters is not true, but you can't seem to comprehend this.
No one here on this thread has said that you can't or shouldn't use medications, but you that a climber should never use medications to ascend higher if you aren't feeling well or aren't acclimatized and that they must be cautiously. Medications can help you, but you actually have to be careful using medications for many reasons such as they mask symptoms (one reason that it is officially banned on Aconcagua, but rarely enforced).
No one on this thread has said not to use oxygen (that's a completely different topic). They just said that it was almost never used to climb 7000 meter peaks. No one has said never to use medications. They just said that it wasn't the norm at 3000 meters and that acclimatization is more important and that there were side effects to be aware of. You and only you are providing bad/inaccurate information and trying to twist it into an ethics conversation by trying to claim that others say never to use oxygen or use medications. No one has said that on this thread.
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PS, be aware that you are treading on thin ice when resorting to name calling, throwing a fit when someone calls you out on something, mucking up threads on the forum, and providing little or no useful information, and that you can be deleted for doing so.
Of course I also believe in second and even third chances. Please use them wisely.
I would never delete someone for simply disagreeing, or for having a different opinion, but if you have no submissions to SP and are just here to name call and muck up threads on the forum, it does get old.
seriously, hmmm, do you have difficulties in understanding? Because you seems to choose to ignore name calling on me simply based on the ground that i dont agree with you. you said you need me to explain things, i explained, you dont agree, doesnt mean i am wrong. it simply means you dont agree. As simple as that. I dont know why you can disagree on me while i cant disagree on you. not to mentioned some of the things you saying is pretty laughable.
I am not sure you can read carefully or not because i repeatedly stressed the fact i never mentioned that acclimatization is not important. In fact i stressed that it is important. The fact i am stressing on is the use of medication helps and it is more important to use it as preventive rather than remedy. I have suffer enough from people who refuse to use medication on commercial trips.
PS: you choose to mention regarding mount fuji and said that it is not a norm. then i wonder what do you call as a norm? Climbing isnt a norm sport in the first place.