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Re: Weight loss

Postby dskoon » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:14 pm

Catamount wrote:So at this point I've transitioned from weight loss to maintenance of weight loss and am doing pretty well so far. I bottomed out at about 178 a few weeks ago and am about 181 now (the same as in my profile photo from June 2). Altogether that is about a 30 pound total loss since November and is as slim as I want to be. Have had to buy some new clothes but am just wearing the rest a little baggy until I need to replace them.

No longer working overnights and therefore really can't skip meals like I had been. So I have cut way back on portion size and am limiting anything with corn syrup. No longer the "clean up crew" when my kids don't finish their meals either. Hope to get back in the groove of regular cardio in a couple of weeks when I finish the family vacation cycle I am on right now.


I'm jealous!
I think we were around the same area in lbs. to begin- I was at about 203 on Jan.2- and I began doing all the right things in earnest, and got down to about
189. Then, because I became very busy, (I'm a house painter in the summer), and therefore, tired and lazy(tipping back a couple of beers after work, rather
than hopping on the bike, etc.), I've plateaued and actually gained a little, at about 192. Disappointing. But, I hope to ramp up the cardio here soon, and get back at the weight loss. I'd like to get down to 185, and see how that feels, and maybe a little more, like around 180ish. .

So, I'm jealous, Catamount! But, congrats on dropping all that weight. And on your summiting of Mt. Hood! I've been too busy too get out, unfortunately. .
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Ze » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:20 pm

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Ze wrote:Sweet jesus. All of you just stop posting. You are just spouting misinformation.


All hail Ze! All hail Ze! Knower of all-things nutrition and performance. All hail Ze!


It's really not that outrageous. Nothing I'm saying requires a farking phd in nutrition, just a good amount of reading real factual sources on the topic. I would gladly bow to those who know more if they showed up.

At least you didn't interject any CrossShit type advice in here! :wink:
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Re: Weight loss

Postby CClaude » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:54 am

after reading Ze's posts I have to agree with him. calorie in versus out wins out when placed in contyext of the various metobolic processes.

Now if you really want to seriously loose weight, do what I did, break you neck in multiple place, yet avoid becoming a para/quadraplagic. In the course of 3 weekss (including surgery) I went from 149lbs (at 5'11" and 5% body fat) to 140lbs and had a really hard time keeping the weight on over the next 1.75mos. Ok, it did completely ruin my strength because of the neuromuscular deficits
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Re: Weight loss

Postby TimmyC » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:52 pm

CClaude wrote:Now if you really want to seriously loose weight, do what I did... Ok, it did completely ruin my strength because of the neuromuscular deficits


Yup, being sick or injured can certainly do it. I'm just starting to recover my strength after getting food poisoning that put me in the hospital (entirely my fault; totally ignored some basic food safety protocols -- so dumb), during which I (apparently) aspirated some of my own vomit, which ended up giving me pneumonia. Delightful. In addition to just generally feeling crappy, antibiotics totally kill my appetite, so, other than hydration and any powdered nutrition I could tolerate, even very watered-down, I essentially didn't eat for about two weeks. Driving your body into starvation mode is just about the worst thing you can do to your metabolism. So, more than two weeks and 23lbs later, I still appear to have a lot of the fat I went in with, but a lot less muscle -- and an annoying, little dry cough. Lovely.

Went in strong, came out weak as a kitten. Worst. Diet. Ever.

[edited for whining]
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Re: Weight loss

Postby bird » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:28 pm

I didn't interject any crossShit type advice because the great and all-knowing Ze commanded "All of you just stop posting". All Hail Ze. Oops I should not have posted this because of your command... :roll:

Ze wrote:
bird wrote:
Ze wrote:Sweet jesus. All of you just stop posting. You are just spouting misinformation.


All hail Ze! All hail Ze! Knower of all-things nutrition and performance. All hail Ze!


It's really not that outrageous. Nothing I'm saying requires a farking phd in nutrition, just a good amount of reading real factual sources on the topic. I would gladly bow to those who know more if they showed up.

At least you didn't interject any CrossShit type advice in here! :wink:
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Chris Simpson » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:16 pm

When you complete the Bear Canyon trail in just a little over the 2 hr mark you know you are doing something right. Ze' 2:03 - average person - 5+ hrs. Nutrition and performance.
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Re: Weight loss

Postby WyomingSummits » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:50 pm

Chris Simpson wrote:When you complete the Bear Canyon trail in just a little over the 2 hr mark you know you are doing something right. Ze' 2:03 - average person - 5+ hrs. Nutrition and performance.

Jim Bridwell chain smoked and could blow people away in the high mountains. I know some near world class triathletes who eat like crap and still win. Posting a great time on a trail run could be nothing more than descent training combined with world class natural proclivity to a sport. Not every running back who ate and trained like Barry Sanders can PRODUCE like Barry Sanders. My point is just because he posts a good time doesn't mean his method works for everyone.....maybe it's just natural ability.
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Re: Weight loss

Postby JackYoung » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:10 pm

I went to the Crossfit / Paleo program a few years ago and have lost over 30# and my body fat % is way down. Mark Sisson's stuff was very helpful to me: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz2aNQ299Fm

Good luck finding what works best for you.
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Ze » Mon Jul 29, 2013 4:24 pm

Wow I don't know where he plucked that time info from. I agree you shouldn't rely on someone's performance as the end-all support for believing what they say. Heck, that time isn't elite at all (elite talent can do it in ~ 1:30) though I do weight 50 lbs more that I could. Actually if I were trying to persuade someone to believe me based on performance, I would point out being able to sustain a high level of endurance fitness AND a large amount of muscle mass without drugs is more dependent on smart training / nutrition than having one or the other alone. Or I dunno, a phd in human performance...
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Chris Simpson » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:23 pm

There was a lot of sarcasm in previous posts "Ze' master of all things nutrition and performance" and so on. My objective was to give and example based on what information he (Ze') posted and how a good time was related to the information in defense of the sarcastic comments. It works for him. Just as stated. What works for someone may not work for everyone else.

2:03 is not average for this particular trail. It is not elite. Being between the two requires very good conditioning.

By the way, FKT website was where I saw 2:03.
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Stephen Hall » Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:04 am

Drink water
sleep well
eat less, stay active
use a suunto ambit to keep track of your work outs
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Re: Weight loss

Postby caseyschindler » Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:01 am

Stephen Hall wrote:Drink water
sleep well
eat less, stay active
use a suunto ambit to keep track of your work outs


Agreed.

As long as you work hard in the gym/outdoors, try to eat OK, and not snack on a bunch of crap you can get in great shape. I think obsessing about optimizing meal frequency and other things that may or may not improve your efficiency by .0001% isn't worth the time or effort. Just go bust your ass.
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Catamount » Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:54 am

Back into swimming 3 or 4 times a week and trying to stay close to what I was consuming while working overnights and dropping those 30 pounds.

At 175 and holding for the last 2-3 weeks.
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Re: Weight loss

Postby Catamount » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:02 pm

Semi-serious side question ...

How do y'all deal with the occasional grumpies that go along with hard exercise and diet? After the exercise high wears off, there are some days where I just don't really feel all that nice. Lean and mean as they say. :evil:
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Re: Weight loss

Postby SeanReedy » Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:26 pm

^^^^Be cautious. I've been there, and then been injured and sluggish (fortunately only slightly). Irritability can be a sign of overdoing it on the endurance, intensity, and/or dieting. You may have reached a plateau as far as diet, conditioning, and/or performance. You may be at risk for backsliding performance, injury, or illness. It may be time for a rest and/or very easy training phase followed by changing routines or phase of training. If I recall correctly, you were building steady endurance training, followed by some long hikes. Maybe it is time for a week off followed by a phase of more intensity, interval, and strength training with less endurance focus....or maybe it's the opposite and too much recent intense exercise is an issue solved by rest and going back to an easy endurance phase (you would know better than I how intense your hikes and training have been as far as heart rate and level of exhaustion).

Also, now that you are leaner, maybe you should try eating high quality, nutrient dense food (protein, healthy fats, and healthy carbs/grains/fruits/veggies) more often. Eating healthy and high fiber foods more than a 1-2 times a day while exercising a lot may help a lot with feeling less grumpy. The trick would be to keep daily calories at or slightly above the amount that helped you get lean. By the way, big congrats on the weight loss, but consider ditching the scale and instead measure waist, hips, thighs, and/or body fat% and lean appearance. Also, keep in mind that getting too lean might hinder optimal performance in the activities you enjoy and can make you grumpy.

If I'm making any sense/guessing correctly, and you do change phases, consider resting and changing phases again if you plateau again sometime this fall. Of course, your individual goals and experiences will play a big role in how you train.
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