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Western Mountaineering vs. Feathered Friends

Postby IagosGhost » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:38 am

I'm buying myself a new sleeping bag as a reward for finishing my officer training. I'm considering the WM Alpinlite and the Feathered Friends Swallow.

I just have a few questions:
1. Does the Swallow have a draft collar? I can't tell from the pictures or the description on the FF website.

2. How much does overfill affect the temperature rating in the WM bags? How much is a good amount?

3. Do either of these have a "trapezoidal" footbox?

4. Are either of these bags good for side-sleepers or those who move around a lot?

thanks for the input.
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Postby The Chief » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:54 am

I love my Alpinlite. Been using the shit outta of it for the past five seasons.

The Alpinlite is roomier and has 3 more oz of 800+ down than the Swallow at the same over-all weight,1lb 15oz...

64" shoulder girth for the WM vice 60" for the Swallow. Something to take into consideration and one major feature that sold me on the Alpinlite. Plus the extra 3 oz's of fill allows the Alpinlite to keep ya warm down to 10F deg easily.
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Postby Wastral » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:28 pm

Unlike WM. FF bags can be bought in any size you want. To either allow more room or for a warmer tighter fit. Check out their website. featheredfriends.com will have bags that are "roomy, normal, and tight" Just buy the model you want. Personally I would go with Feathered friends. Either is a fine choice.

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twoshuzz wrote:I have bags by both manufacturers. WM- Highlite for summer, Badger for fall, spring and winter. FF- Widgeon for Exp and cold local winter, Snow Goose for Exp up high. All are fine bags that have served me well.

The FF Swallow does not come with a collar as FF does not offer them in their "light flight" series bags. The WM Alpinlite does come with collar. Both come with a single draft tube.

Can't speak on overfill as I've never requested it. Generally, overfill is done on a cost per ounce basis. Why overfill ?

None of my bags have a trap foot box. I would assume the same for the Swallow.

Generally speaking, WM bags run a bit roomier than FF. Such is the case with the Alpinlite/Swallow as Chief points out. In each series FF does offer at least one model in the larger size range of WM. The narrow cut allows them to use less fill. The more narrow the cut, the more efficient the bag.

One thing to keep in mind : The ultralight fabrics used by both (or any manu really) come at a cost in durability. They simply cannot take the beating that heavier materials can. Things like zipper snags, abrasive surfaces... can produce holes in the shell. They also don't take too kindly to sewing for repair. Take care of your bag, mind your p's and q's and it will perform well for many years.
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Postby Guyzo » Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:22 pm

I have a FF bag. It's 15 years old and still works just fine.

You get what you pay for.
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Postby IagosGhost » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:43 am

I just found a screaming deal on the WM Alpinlite. 20% off! I couldn't pass it up. Woo hoo!
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Re: Western Mountaineering vs. Feathered Friends

Postby 8kclimber » Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:44 pm

IagosGhost wrote:I'm buying myself a new sleeping bag as a reward for finishing my officer training. I'm considering the WM Alpinlite and the Feathered Friends Swallow.

I just have a few questions:
1. Does the Swallow have a draft collar? I can't tell from the pictures or the description on the FF website.

2. How much does overfill affect the temperature rating in the WM bags? How much is a good amount?

3. Do either of these have a "trapezoidal" footbox?

4. Are either of these bags good for side-sleepers or those who move around a lot?

thanks for the input.



No, the Swallow does not have a draft collar as it doesn't need one for the temp range it was designed for but you can have them add either a permeant one or a removable one that give you more versatility. 2 OZ of over fill in good for 5-10 degrees. FF bags can be made anyway to want them. Ib each temp range they have three standard width sizes. I believe the Swallow is 60" while the Swift is 64". I have one of each.
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Postby IagosGhost » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:15 am

spirit4earth wrote:
IagosGhost wrote:I just found a screaming deal on the WM Alpinlite. 20% off! I couldn't pass it up. Woo hoo!


where did you find such a deal?


If you're in the St. Louis area I went to The Alpine Shop in Chesterfield. they also have a store in Kirkwood. The sign on the rack read "Labor Day Sale" so I don't know how much longer the sale would be on. I really lucked out because I went up to St. Louis on a whim and didn't expect to find or buy anything.
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Postby The Chief » Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:49 am

Wastral wrote:Unlike WM. FF bags can be bought in any size you want.


Ahh....Wrong!

So can WM's Products.

WM will work with you on size and added fill...FACT!

I had two of my five WM bags specially made at no extra cost and added 5ozs of down to both for a mere $25.00.

IagosGhost


You won't regret your choice.
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Postby IagosGhost » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:08 am

Thanks, Chief.

Btw, how did you contact WM for your custom bags? I looked all over their website but couldn't find any contact info. I wanted to ask them some questions. Anyway, I'm happy with the bag so far. I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but this weekend it may see some action.
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Postby The Chief » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:31 am

twoshuzz wrote:
IagosGhost wrote:Thanks, Chief.

Btw, how did you contact WM for your custom bags? I looked all over their website but couldn't find any contact info. I wanted to ask them some questions. Anyway, I'm happy with the bag so far. I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but this weekend it may see some action.


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Postby Wastral » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:59 am

Good to know!
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Brian
The Chief wrote:
twoshuzz wrote:
IagosGhost wrote:Thanks, Chief.

Btw, how did you contact WM for your custom bags? I looked all over their website but couldn't find any contact info. I wanted to ask them some questions. Anyway, I'm happy with the bag so far. I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but this weekend it may see some action.


(408) - 287 - 8944


YUP!

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http://www.westernmountaineering.com/de ... m?type=int
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Postby spiritualspatula » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:19 pm

Okay, same premise (WM vs FF) but for jackets:

I'm looking at the Volant vs the Vapor.

I'm leaning towards Event for the Volant, but kinda waffling on that decision too.
The jacket will primarily be used for when I'm inactive on trips in Colorado.
Any input?
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