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Postby phlipdascrip » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:44 pm

emmieuk wrote:Happy climbing people!

I think you meant "Happy mountaineering people!" ;)

Different approach - when can you call yourself a mountaineer? Mountaineering covers a range of mountain "activities" and I think in order to call yourself a mountaineer you should be skilled in all of them; Including hiking, rock, snow, and ice climbing, glacier travel, as well as camping, meteorology, assessing snow conditions (re avalanches), first aid and rescue skills, etc. Mountaineering is not an activity in itself.
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Postby TheOrglingLlama » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:55 pm

Llama Trekking !

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Postby Lolli » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:55 pm

emmieuk wrote:I don't it was a question yes probably pathetic to most but that does not mean it warrants that kind of sarcastic response

Don't really think sp is kinda for me ta for those that have helped :D

Happy climbing people!


To explain what it's all about:
There are as many definitions as there are mountaineers. Many climbers are awfully strongwilled. Plenty have a lot of experience. Then they get upset/angry/critical when somebody posts the "wrong" definition or explanation.

Your question wasn't the least pathetic. It has been threads about this, long threads with lots and lots of arguing. You know, simple questions are often the hardest to answer.

You're giving up way to easy. Wait and see, you might get a definition which suits your way of thinking.
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Postby dskoon » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:58 pm

Lolli wrote:
You're giving up way to easy. Wait and see, you might get a definition which suits your way of thinking.


I think maybe she already has.
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Postby Lolli » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:03 pm

dskoon wrote:
Lolli wrote:
You're giving up way to easy. Wait and see, you might get a definition which suits your way of thinking.


I think maybe she already has.


I think so too, actually. But when new, one often wants a confirmation, that there's more than she who thinks that way. Not everybody, mind you.
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Postby emmieuk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:25 pm

Meaning?
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Postby MoapaPk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:10 pm

"Mountaineering: The Freedom of the Hills"

Pick up a copy at the library, or buy your own. Excellent.

It becomes mountaineering when you start discussing it at a pub.
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Postby albanberg » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:24 pm

It seems to me that mountaineering is different things to different people....in other words it depends upon each person's ability or comfort level.

A simple example here in California would be Mt. Whitney. There are several ways to climb Whitney and it can be done in summer or winter or in between. For some people climbing it in the summer via the walkup route from Whitney Portal is mountain climbing and a challenge. For others it's only a challenge to climb the face when there's ice on it (I assume this is done but I'm not sure). When I did Whitney I did it via a walk up but from the other side where one has to backpack in. I didn't consider it mountaineering, though, as it was more of a backpacking trip and didn't involve any "climbing."

There's a mountain (I can't remember the name) on the East Coast here in the US that's not too high but I guess it gets real cold and difficult there despite the relatively low altitude. So for some that is mountaineering too.

I hear in the UK, there's very difficult climbing with bad weather also. I think the altitude is not so high there right? Still sounds like mountaineering to me though with technical climbing and bad weather.

Anyway if someone is more skilled and more fit there definition of mountaineering is probably going to be different than someone who is less skilled or fit.

How's that? Did I offend anyone? lol...
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Postby Arthur Digbee » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:28 pm

Lolli wrote:
emmieuk wrote:I don't it was a question yes probably pathetic to most but that does not mean it warrants that kind of sarcastic response


To explain what it's all about:
There are as many definitions as there are mountaineers. Many climbers are awfully strongwilled. Plenty have a lot of experience. Then they get upset/angry/critical when somebody posts the "wrong" definition or explanation.


There are histories on SP, emmieuk. Sometimes a new person will walk into them without knowing what issues come up over and over. Welcome.

I'd say there are "inclusive" definitions and "exclusive" definitions. Some people feel a need to say that what they do is not the same as what others do. Hence MoapaPk and I making smart-aleck comments about bragging being the difference.

Others are more inclusive -- if you're doing something on a mountain, it's mountaineering. But there's a big difference between what those things are.

So a non-sarcastic response is really: why do you want a definition?
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Postby emmieuk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:35 pm

Plain and simply when my friends who have potential and show some enthusiasm on my new way of life I want to be able to help them understand but I cannot do that until I know what I am talking about
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Postby Arthur Digbee » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:56 pm

emmieuk wrote:Plain and simply when my friends who have potential and show some enthusiasm on my new way of life I want to be able to help them understand but I cannot do that until I know what I am talking about


I'd use the question for self-reflection then. Do you like being outdoors? Like the views? Like the physical challenge? Like an activity where you can continually develop new skills? Like the camaraderie among climbers? and so on.

Use those as the selling points to friends. FWIW.
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Postby MoapaPk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:03 pm

The definition is vague. When you feel great enthusiasm for getting to the summits, and you feel a rush just remembering past events on the mountain, you will convince yourself that you are a mountaineer. The events might include a snow climb, or the awesome beauty of clouds below, or successful navigation of a whiteout, or thoughtful avoidance of tragedy on the mountain, or sunrise from the summit... or the events may be more subtle.

There will always be people who brag too much about an amazing expedition, who include subtle jabs at your accomplishments; don't hang with such people, unless you can just laugh at their self-inflation, or you find their personalities balance out more to the good.

As I've tried to hint, you can do a lot in the UK that is undeniably mountaineering. Go to Skye or wait for the first heavy snow on the higher peaks (and get instruction first!). It will be a whole new world.
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