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what for you is mountaineering?

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Postby MoapaPk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:20 pm

mattski wrote:how do u add photos


To what? If you add them here (to this thread), the photos must have a home on the internet somewhere -- you must be able to see them in a browser, from a location that has an http:// start to the address. You can 1) upload the photos to SP, say as profile pictures; 2) upload them to a photo-sharing site, such as smugmug. View the photo in the browser, click in the URL window at top, copy to the buffer (say ctrl-C), and paste that address in the SP message window. Then highlight that address with your cursor, and hit the Img button.

"Reply" to my message above, to see how I did it. You don't need to finish the reply; just hit the "back" button on the browser when you are done.
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Postby MoapaPk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:55 pm

Mattski -- it's often a lot better if you put in a link to the "medium" sized image, so it doesn't overwhelm the size of the forum posts. You can always link to the larger image (make it "clickable" as Rob Yang showed me, and I will show you if you so desire).

By the way, around here we call that a morning run. Ha ha!

Actually, per my example of "hiking" above ... we might also call that mountaineering. But we arrange "hikes" in our mountaineering club, for anything that doesn't involve specific rock or snow gear, and is just a day trip. We might carry ropes and harnesses for hikes, and are paranoid about safety; but we are most interested that people have a good time in the outdoors. This particular hike involved one unavoidable 4th class wall; I simply state what each trip involves, and try to err on the side of conservatism.

If I ever get over to Scotland in winter, and have the pleasure of climbing a peak, I will certainly enjoy the challenge, and remember it fondly.
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Postby Joe White » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:07 am

What about mountaineering being the use of technical skills (including route finding, rockclimbing, steep snow, and ice climbing) to attain some type of mountain summit?
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Postby MoapaPk » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:25 am

mattski wrote:they advertise this peak as a hikers peak "the marquee"


OK, one more hint!

Image

Note how I modified what you did; so the image is now clickable, going through to the larger image. Mr Llama taught us that. Despite all the sniping, SP is a great source of shared info.

Again, you can just hit "quote" to see what I did.
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Postby Matt Worster » Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:32 am

Actually had renewed interest in this topic when I got my first life insurance policy. In the middle of all these medical questions is something like, "in the last 12 months, have you participated in mountaineering or rock climbing?"

Sadly, I was ok on the rock climbing part (been a busy year), but I asked what they considered mountaineering, not really knowing myself. The questioner is a total urbanite, tells me, "Oh hiking is fine, but have you been doing mountaineering?" He can tell I'm stumbling, knowing what the less expensive answer is . . . but I'm a nerd and want to be right! But . . . what is the question? I figured SOMEONE at that big actuarial firm has mountaineering experience, per se, and maybe that policy writer could define it, but I bet they would be as uncomfortable doing so as everyone here.

In the end, I said "no." :wink:
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Postby wildcat024 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:10 am

I also have run into difficulties getting insurance due to my "rock or mountain climbing problem." I called and confirmed, yes, they cover downhill skiing and hiking. But they also confirmed that rock or mountain climbing are not covered. So, at this point, I wanted to see where the line was between hiking and mountaineering. The insurance agent basically told me that I had to "trust them," and that he had no way of telling me what was hiking vs climbing, downhill skiing vs ski mountaineering. He said that he couldn't answer specifics on hypothetical situations, and that if an accident happened, they "looked at the circumstances under which the claim arose and then examined the policy to see if there was a specific rider excluding the activity." As if I am to assume that the insurance company will do what is honest afterwards when they don't even know where the line is beforehand. Just so everyone knows, he also confirmed that sky diving and BASE jumping were covered. I guess BASE jumping is much safer than climbing.
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Postby MoapaPk » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:21 am

See? There is logic to defining stuff as "hiking."
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Re: what for you is mountaineering?

Postby Charles » Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:54 am

emmieuk wrote:I was in the pub last night discussing climbing with some non climbers when I got asked 'when does hill and mountain walking become mountaineering?' Then I realised I really didn't know and the magazines and internet stuff I read defines mountaineering in all sorts of ways. So my dumb ass question is when for you does it become mountaineering? X x thank youuu

It´s all mountaineering! It´s been in the outdoors. There are levels of difficulty and seriousness but it´s all the same thing. You can be just as dead of exposure in the Peak District as on Mont Blanc, in fact I´ve felt wetter and colder in the Peak District than on Mont Blanc!
For me it´s doing the bits of the sport that I like and maybe one should let other people busy themselves with the definitions.
Were you drinking Higsons?
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Postby emmieuk » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:01 am

your all a strange lot arent you really :D :D :shock:

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Re: what for you is mountaineering?

Postby dadndave » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:53 am

emmieuk wrote:I was in the pub last night discussing climbing with some non climbers when I got asked 'when does hill and mountain walking become mountaineering?' Then I realised I really didn't know and the magazines and internet stuff I read defines mountaineering in all sorts of ways. So my dumb ass question is when for you does it become mountaineering? X x thank youuu


This is funny (as in we're laughing with you, not at you,) Emmieuk. You got the bug just a short time ago and we all love you for it. Passion and imagination is what it's all about (in my humble opinion). Who knows where your inspiration will lead you?

There is no point in trying to pick the difference between hill walking, mountaineering rockclimbing or whatever. The distinctions are more or less seamless . Of course some people will want to specialise at some point and some will do so with "hardcore" intent - and that's what tends to create the "readworthy" stories of whatever the hell it is that we nutters all get up to.

Welcome to the club.

And it's all good.
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