Denjem wrote:What does it matter if your jacket weight is 7 oz. when the rock rack you carry is 15 lbs?
Dow Williams wrote:Until you climb long hard routes in the alpine (and I don't mean hauling everything but the kitchen sink up on a tag line via aid, I mean free climbing), you prob could not figure this out. But the issue is, the more time you spend in the true backcountry, you do start counting ounces on everything, pro, clothes, boots included. If you took the attitude you offer above...then you say the same thing about your tent/bivy, bag, boots, cams, slings, clothes...the next thing you know....you can't keep up with whoever you conned into taking you on some alpine excursion because you have too much weight on your back. My issue with someone outfitted with deadbird is...that always seems to be the guy on any guided trip I am involved in...who holds everyone back....if I could sort out who could or couldn't go on a trip at the parking lot...I would leave behind you guys who think you can buy your way into being a climber with fancy ass, heavy clothes, gear or boots. Can't be done. I try and avoid climbing with posers. Whether they pay me or not, It is not fun.
Dow Williams wrote:Maybe so, but you are not of one them.
MoapaPk wrote:Typically water makes up 1/3 to 2/3 of my carried weight. I would guess that's not typical.
You don't run with a 0F bag. You run with a 40F bag and sleep in your clothes, down, hat and socks. Etc.
Where the gear will in fact be your life line and the important key to one's success, let alone survivabilty. Skimp here in quality and inventory, and you die as have many in the past the world over for doing so.
Denjem wrote:Thanks for figuring it out for me DOW. John Muir is laughing at us all right now. So in what gear do you like to drag the posers up in?
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