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Where Summit Registers go to die...

Postby edevart » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:35 am

Hi All,

A recent posting by a fellow SPer got me thinking.... where do summit registers go to die? Or what happens to them when they are all full and there is no more room to store them on the summit? I know that many registers from the Sierras and other prominent CA peaks like Shasta end up at the Bancroft Library at Cal Berkeley. But how about the rest?

Basically, the recent poster pointed out that he took the register home with him once he saw that it was completely filled up, and that he was looking for somebody to send it to.

Personally, I think they all belong at any library that'll take them, and if not that then a local nonprofit or stewardship organization that has long ties to that particular area and that can make them available to the public as necessary. Leaving them in the hands of a single individual for any extended period of time, no matter who it is, just seems wrong to me.

Thoughts?
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Postby BCL » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:47 am

I think they should stay on the mountain.
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Postby Matt Worster » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:02 am

Meh, I'd rather not have a listing of it so easily available. I think it's cool that someone has to go up there to see my (or anyone else's) name. I'm looknig at the same thing they were when they signed it. Neato. That said, I enjoyed looking through Bob Burd's photos of Gabb's register. Luckily I saw that before it went somewhere to die.

In the end, I realize that it is a transient mark I or anyone else leaves. It can burn, fall off, get struck by lightning, or somehow offend a climbing ranger. I've made my peace with the fact that they go away (but that took a lot of therapy to get there).
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Postby rhyang » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:08 am

Whitney's register just gets discarded (burned) from what I've heard .. probably the same thing with Shasta's -- popular peaks with relatively easy and well-travelled routes.
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Postby edevart » Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:52 am

Actually, last I heard Shasta's goes to Bancroft.

I'm glad there are so many registers on peaks in this state. In other places I've lived, they don't seem to be as common, so people just end up carving their name into the closest rock, building big and multiple cairns, or leaving momentos. Something about being on top of a big pile of rocks makes humans want to leave their mark...
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Postby rhyang » Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:13 am

edevart wrote:Actually, last I heard Shasta's goes to Bancroft.


I have a hard time believing that, considering the huge volume of signatures that probably occurs every year on that mountain .. but then it does have a Sierra Club hut on its flanks :lol: Maybe telewoman will weigh in on this :)
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Postby MoapaPk » Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:30 am

I often see comments that the original log books were photocopied, and the copies stored at some repository. Latest such example was yesterday (Jan 06/2008), on Avawatz.

Today it would be easiest just to photograph the pages in situ.
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Postby MoapaPk » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:40 pm

Gary Schenk wrote:Registers belong on mountains and should remain there until disposed of by nature. Where's the thrill in seeing Norman Clyde's signature in a library?


I come across many registers where the older names (and paper) are so degraded that they are essentially unreadable.
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Postby norco17 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:34 pm

MoapaPk wrote:
Gary Schenk wrote:Registers belong on mountains and should remain there until disposed of by nature. Where's the thrill in seeing Norman Clyde's signature in a library?


I come across many registers where the older names (and paper) are so degraded that they are essentially unreadable.


I think that's the point. Better to fade into nothningness than live forever in a library. For some this may go back to the "why do you climb?" question. Because it is better than sitting around in air conditoning. The register would rather be on the peak just like you.
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Postby Bob Burd » Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:39 pm

Matt Worster wrote:In the end, I realize that it is a transient mark I or anyone else leaves. It can burn, fall off, get struck by lightning, or somehow offend a climbing ranger. I've made my peace with the fact that they go away (but that took a lot of therapy to get there).


Funny, I reached exactly the same conclusion. I used to be passionate about the registers, but came to keep it in perspective. Their disappearance and degradation into oblivion has been happening since they were first put up there. I read entries from the 1960s and 70s lamenting "stolen" registers. Who knows what happened to them. If you hike around SoCal the registers are even more fleeting due to the higher traffic. It's almost comical to observe Mars Bonfire trying to single-handedly replace all the ones that go missing, usually within a year. It's got so that the HPS has "hidden" caches for the more popular ones, at which point one has to ask, "What exactly is the purpose?"
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Postby graham » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:03 pm

I was lead to believe that summit registers only recently started getting swiped with the advent of the internet(s) and only after some evil SPer posted a photo of some beloved mountain celeb’s entry :wink: :wink: :wink:
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