nartreb wrote:It all depends. If I'm packing light and tyring to go fast, I can often go about twice as fast as book time. On a winter overnight trip, breaking trail, I'm happy to equal book time. Now if I were actually fast, I'd be aiming at the record for the Pemi Loop: seven hours (book time 20:15).
All the speed records (here and out west in CO/CA as well) are unreal. Half book time is pretty damn fast too. I fast walk when I can, so I gotta figure you're at jogging speed by that point?
MoapaPk wrote:Go off-trail in the NE; say, the Adirondacks. Report when you get back.
Trust me, I am almost more terrified of the ADK bushwhacks than I am most class 3-4 peaks out west.
The whole terrain debate, I'd definitely have to say that I think the West is tougher. I've probably never even experienced the worst of the talus of Idaho or the scree of the Absarokas, to name a few examples. Yeah, there's switchbacks below tree line, but once you're up above the trees going 1000 ft up a scree gully steeper than most non-switchbacking paths in the NE, that's pretty tough shit.
I did Mt. Powell the other month (in the Gores, one of the easier peaks of the range even). 10 miles round trip, 4200 net elevation gain (I'm convinced it's close to over 5000 if you consider all the ups and downs). Doesn't sound too back, but pretty much 90% of that elevation gain is over steep, loose terrain with poor footing. I don't think I've ever been so exhausted on a hike, even compared to more technically difficult outings (such as N Maroon or Pyramid); also another reason why I dread S Maroon, whenever I get to that.