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KlenkeUntitled Comment

Klenke

Voted 10/10

Excellent addition and one I had been contemplating the need for recently. I couldn't do such a page as I haven't done the entire traverse, only the climb out to Formidable and back.



I will be putting up pages for Formidable and Spider (maybe by the end of the day) and I was thinking there could be a "Ptarmigan Traverse" Group created in which to place them. That could still be done (left tab) and now they can be referenced by your page. Ergo, every mountain that is along the traverse you should provide links to in the text. Currently I think this is merely Dome Peak. But Formidable and Spider are coming. Sahale and Johannesburg are gray areas. I personally wouldn't add those two but that's just me.



Emendation to your page: I notice you have 8286 feet for Spider's height in your table. This is the elevation of the lower East Summit. The true summit is 8,280+ and probably closer to 8,310 ft. So 8,286 feet is definitely not correct if you believe that triangulation point as being accurate in the first place.
Posted Sep 11, 2005 12:53 pm

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

Thanks, Paul. i wasn't sure about Spider's height, so I went with the map. I'll amend it to 8280+. As for a Ptarmigan Group, I agree completely. There are more than enough peaks along the route to justify an SP group, and most Washington mountaineers who have heard of Formidable, Sentinel and the rest, automatically think of the Ptarmigan when they hear those names.



I also agree that Jo'berg and Sahale are outside the PT. It would make sense to have a Cascade Pass group (Derek has talked of this) that would include peaks from Torment (maybe Eldorado) to Booker on the N and Johannesberg to Magic on the S. Mix-up and Magic would be in both groups. [I'm working on a Mix-up page, by the way, and intend to add photos to your Formidable page.



And, yes, I made that table of summits anticipating that those would be turned into links as pages show up on SP. I'll also link within the descriptive text as appropriate.



I expect some controversy over the PT page, especially after reading Message Board threads about what peaks are worthy of PT, and I don't want to start a precedent that will encourage people to write up a page for every trail that goes near a hill, but the Ptarmigan is a special case. I'm sure there are other places in the world where an off-trail route has become a destination in itself, with multiple major summits along it, but there probably aren't many that are used strictly by climbers and strictly to go climbing, as the Ptarmigan is.

Posted Sep 12, 2005 2:11 am

RaguUntitled Comment

Ragu

Voted 10/10

I think adding the links to all the mountains is a great idea. But why not include Johannesburg and Sahale, and Buckner as well. Even though these are not part of the "modern-day" traverse, they were part of the original, which we all know has not been repeated.



Maybe by adding them it would entice someone to repeat the original?!?
Posted Dec 6, 2005 9:51 pm

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

I didn't know that Sahale, Jo'berg, and Buckner were part of the first traverse! Damn, I'd feel like a pinball bouncing around all those before heading south; no wonder they haven't been repeated in the traverse.



We'd had some discussion about the Ptarmigan vs. Cascade Pass groups before I started the PT page; I figured the Cascade Pass group should include Eldorado to Booker and Johannesberg to Magic or Hurry-Up. The Ptarmigan group should include (I figured) Mixup & peaks S. to Dome, overlapping the CP group a bit. I guess we should overlap them a bit more. Thanks for the history, the vote, and the photos. I have Stage 3 mostly written and expect to submit it after a couple weeks spent on another project. Your photos and those from Bob Bolton will liven it up. I did much of the stage in weather that allowed me to see my compass and some of our other party members, but not much of the mountains. Thanks again.

Posted Dec 10, 2005 3:03 am

Derek FranzenUntitled Comment

Derek Franzen

Voted 10/10

Great pages Eric. I like how you've used the table for additional links; nice idea.



Good work on the three different stages too.
Posted Sep 11, 2005 10:12 pm

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

Thanks! I added Stage 1 tonight, but still need to add a bunch of photos & links.
Posted Sep 12, 2005 4:32 am

Martin CashUntitled Comment

Martin Cash

Voted 10/10

This is a good start to an important and historic traverse in the North CAscades. Looking forward to your additions and completion of it.



Martin
Posted Sep 11, 2005 10:59 pm

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

Thanks Martin! It has a few more active links and a first stage Route page, but there's still much to add. It may take a week or more at my speed, but I'll try to make it useful & pretty.
Posted Sep 12, 2005 4:35 am

Gangolf HaubUntitled Comment

Gangolf Haub

Voted 10/10

Good page Eric! Complete with fake links and all! Nice grouse pic.
Posted Sep 12, 2005 7:29 am

hkutukUntitled Comment

hkutuk

Voted 10/10

Wow,really nice page already, cannot wait for the next stages, great effort!!
Posted Sep 12, 2005 1:56 pm

rpcUntitled Comment

rpc

Voted 10/10

Outstanding!

Ditto on what Haydar said - looking forward to next stages.
Posted Sep 12, 2005 4:51 pm

IdahoKidUntitled Comment

IdahoKid

Voted 10/10

Very informational and well put together page Eric.

Sean
Posted Sep 12, 2005 6:23 pm

CoraxUntitled Comment

Corax

Voted 10/10

A very good page!
Posted Sep 13, 2005 7:00 am

eavagetUntitled Comment

Voted 10/10

Great page, Eric!



But, grizzlies and wolves in the North Cascades?

Has this been confirmed?
Posted Oct 19, 2005 12:56 pm

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

About 15 years ago the Skagit Alpine Club brought in a USFS (or was it NPS?) employee to give a talk about the effort to reintroduce grizzlies & wolves to the area. He had photos of wolves in several areas. He hadn't seen any grizzlies after 5 years or so, but he was the guy sent out whenever one was reported, and in several cases he confirmed the tracks he found were from the big guys. His previous job was pulling similar duty in Montana where grizzlies are common, so he knows which tracks are which.



On a related note, my partner saw a wolverine on Iley-Wiley Ridge between Mount Challenger and Beaver Pass. I missed it, because I was down the slope, on my belly taking flower photos. He described what had to be a wolverine following our trail down to a rockpile near our camp, and pointed out a drop of blood in a hole under the rocks. Kevin got down on his knees to reach in and touch the drop, while I envisioned carrying his arm home in a plastic bag. Would've been pointless -- it was two days back. We asked about it later at a ranger station and were told there are no wolverines in the Washington Cascades. God, I'd have loved to get a picture of that guy! Got a lot of other good shots on that trip, though, including the ptarmigan I used for this page.



Thanks for the vote. I need to get busy and add some more stages.

-Eric

Posted Oct 23, 2005 3:53 am

Derek FranzenUntitled Comment

Derek Franzen

Voted 10/10

Personal experiences: When I was hiking up the PCT from Rainy Pass my wife and I came upon a Grizzly in the middle of the trail, this was in 1977. On another trip, this time to Black Peak, while camped near Lewis Lake a small pack of wolves crossed a Talus slope 100 yards away from our position; this trip was in 1979.



Derek.
Posted Nov 20, 2005 8:24 pm

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

Thanks! I keep hoping someone will step up and add some more stages, partly because I'm lazy, and partly because I did much of the 3rd & 4th stages in lousy weather and have very few photos. Thanks for the message, not only because it's flattering, but because it reminds me the page is not done yet.
Posted Oct 31, 2005 1:05 am

ZzyzxUntitled Comment

Voted 10/10

Excellent page! I really hope to hike Ptarmigan Traverse some day.
Posted Nov 9, 2005 12:42 am

Eric SandboUntitled Comment

Eric Sandbo

Hasn't voted

Thanks! I hope you do it. Stage 3 will show up on SP fairly soon; I've written most of the description, but still need to do a map and scan slides.
Posted Nov 9, 2005 7:36 pm

desainmeUntitled Comment

desainme

Voted 10/10

Looks like a fun walk. This must be the Mahoosuc Notch of Washington State.
Posted Dec 3, 2005 10:15 pm

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