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When Good Hiking Trails Go Bad

What happens when a much used hiking trail suddenly goes bad to the point of being unsafe and unusable? How does the trail get fixed? Who pays for the trail restoration effort? How does the restoration project get scheduled and who restores the trail?



Hiking trails can go bad for a number of reasons including fire and insect infestation which can drop so many dead and dying trees on a trail that sections become entangled in interlocked limbs. Trees that don't fall entirely can form interlocked umbrellas of dead limbs and trunks such that over the course of several years they impose a safety hazard as limbs, trees, or previously suspended fractured trunk fragments work free and crash to the ground.

And of course sections of hiking trails can slide off into the canyon up against a cliff face or a steep hillside so that either no passage is available or a narrow, dangerous width is all that remains.

If I may, I'd like to describe two trails, one that was heavily damaged in the Curve Fire of 2002 (see Curve Fire ) and another trail which has a 15-foot extremely unsafe gap caused by a land slide which carried the trail -- and thousands of pounds of San Gabriel granite -- down in to the canyon about 500 feet below the trail.

Soldier Creek Trail is located in the Crystal Lake Recreation Area of the Angeles National Forest (see Crystal Lake ).

The trails within that recreation area are the responsibility of the San Gabriel River Ranger District of the United States Forest Service (see USFS ) which routinely asks the San Gabriel Mountains Trailbuilders (see SGMTBs) to perform volunteer trail repairs. The campgrounds themselves are the largest grounds in the ANF, boasting over 300 individual camp sites and numerous hiking and nature trails.

Soldier Creek (located at North 34 degrees, 19.354 by West 117 degrees, 49.976 at 5656 feet) burned in the Curve Fire of 2002. Helicopter and fixed wing aircraft mounted a massive effort to save Crystal Lake campgrounds which is contained within a basin, and Soldier Creek forms a very large circle which cuts through a section of that basin. The forest along parts of the trail were saved while other parts could not be saved.



Of those sections that burned, now six years later we find that much of the undergrowth has returned with plants that thrive after fires coming back full steam, choking off much of the Sunlight-exposed parts of the trail. Catalina Cherries (Prunus Lyonii, see yucca ) are now growing along much of the newly Sun-exposed trail, affording the local bear population a good source of fresh fruit.

Those exposed sections of the trail are relatively easy to restore, needing only to have the plants in the trail removed and the plants growing along the trail to be cut back -- with the occasional down tree bucked up and removed.

The sections of the trail which previously formed a canopy of tree limbs before the fire, however, have been left a twisted mass of interlocked limbs and tree trunks -- some of them extremely heavy, all of which is blackened to some degree.

The burned trunks don't slip past each other as easily as hard bark does so what's left are settled and locked safety hazards hanging over the trail where people are expected to walk. Because rot and corruption continues, on occasion parts will break free and so we get a condition where -- left naturally on its own -- it would all take decades to fall to ground on its own.

Soldier Creek is closed due to the fact that the Crystal Lake Recreation Area itself is closed, currently getting rebuilt and restored in the aftermath of the 2002 Curve Fire and the resulting heavy flooding of 2005. The campgrounds should re-open some time in 2010 and when they do



the campgrounds themselves as well as the infrastructure -- drinkable water, electricity to the amphitheater, new environmentally friendly toilets -- all of that will be new and pristine.

But what about the hiking and nature trails? As you probably know, the economy is in the toilet -- and the current political environment is not nearly as friendly to the forest's ecology as the new plastic toilets up at Crystal Lake. By that I mean that the economy, such as it is, has not much room for budgets that would pay for environmental trail restoration efforts past a certain dollar amount.

In the aftermath of the Curve Fire a series of contractors were called in to place bids on the restoration of some of the hiking trails damaged by fire and floods. One contractor outfit won the bid (led by a rugged outdoors man named Marvin) and the restoration of a number of hiking trails was performed using trail machines and experienced people to do the work.

But that contracted effort only covered a percentage of the trails -- something like 15% or 20%, by my calculations, and five miles of that effort was Upper Bear Creek Trail which is some 8 miles South of Crystal Lake campgrounds. There was no money -- and perhaps no desire -- to have a contractor restore any of the other trails which were less damaged.

The San Gabriel Mountains Trailbuilders are responsible for maintaining the hiking and nature trails within the San Gabriel River Ranger District, and we are a pretty healthy and rugged band of outdoor people who have the tools, experience, and dedication to do the work for free that contractors would want to be paid for.

In addition to hiking and nature trails, we build access trails to new toilets that have been installed to reduce the human waste being dumped in to or along the streams and rivers that are conveyed to our drinking water faucets down in the cities below. We also widen existing trails so that horses and mules can be used to haul out garbage collected by USFS people and by volunteers, making the effort easier and faster and thus allowing for greater volumes of garbage to be hauled out of our forest.



We also build bridges, install signs, build water sluices and spillways, repair drainage culverts, stamp out minor fires when we feel it is safe to do so, answer people's questions, and pretty much do whatever we're asked to do. We do this by turning out to work every other week end as a regular schedule, and by turning out on other days for special projects.

We coordinate groups of other volunteers -- Boy Scouts, High School clubs, church groups, Buddhist youth groups, where ever young, strong backs can be found.

So while the paid contractor performed their work on the trails they had been contracted to restore, the SGMTBs got to work restoring and maintaining the other trails. Lost Ridge Trail, Golden Cup Nature Trail, Tototngna Nature Trail (which we eventually abandoned,) Half Knob Trail, Sunset Ridge Trail, Windy Gap Trail, Cedar Canyon Trail, and so many others.

The missing trail in all this work was Soldier Creek Trail. The trail had been surveyed periodically (while wearing hard hats!) to get a general feel for the restoration effort that's needed, and while most of the volunteers apparently set the restoration aside for more pressing jobs (such as building the second foot bridge behind the Environmental Education Center at Rincon Station) I looked at the trail and considered it to be too dangerous to attempt restoration.

That danger changed a bit over the past two years.

Last year and now this year Soldier Creek has had its two ends worked on by volunteers removing plants from the trail, clipping back growth, removing downed trees, right up to the areas where I consider it to be too dangerous for young volunteers (even a minor hazard is considered too great for other people's children to be exposed to. Safety is damn frigging the absolute number one priority on these projects and if anything is conceivably dangerous, we don't ask kids to participate in it.)

The hung up canopy of dead trees and limbs is the real problem now. Some of it can be brought down with chainsaws and ropes safely and then the remains, once on the ground, can be bucked up and hauled off of the trail. A lot of the really hazardous knots can't be taken care of that way, though. Even free-standing dead trees are a hazard when they're cut down, but having thousands of pounds of materials above which could fall while we work becomes too hazardous.



None of the Trailbuilders have blasting licenses and even if we were granted permission to blast apart such knots, that's not really a good solution. Blasting using detonation cord (see "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detonating_cord">det cord ) is only done when there is an extreme need, and blasting is heavily controlled at all stages with extreme care, checks, double checks, and pre-planning. Blasting is also forbidden within designated wilderness and Soldier Creek abuts a designated wilderness.

The only solution that remains is the difficult, heavy labor one. Chains with hooks will need to be looped carefully around hung-up tree trunks and larger limbs, then the chains will have to be tied to a griphoist (see sample griphoist manufacturer information at griphoist ) which is anchored by cable to large boulders or large surviving trees if any are in the area.

The hand-cranked lever on the griphoists that the Trailbuilders can use get about a half inch to one full inch of contraction per crank on the lever, and since the griphoist pulls on both the up and down stroke of the lever, we can move tree trunks about 1 or 2 inches every 5 seconds or so. Cranking a griphoist itself is fairly easy but it quickly becomes exhausting -- more so if the capable load is exceeded and the safety pin needs to be replaced.

We can examine hang ups, pull down trunks, and then re-examine the remaining hang ups for safety, then we can pull down some more, picking the jackstraws tangle apart over the course of many months -- if not years. What gets pulled down can be bucked up with chainsaws and get carted away. Four teams can work, two teams on either end of the trail, one team on an end pulling down tree trunks, the other de-limbing, bucking up, and hauling away the limbs and trunks that are pulled down.

Though Soldier Creek Trail will be marked closed during the restoration effort, we often encounter hikers using the trails any way -- despite signs being posted on both ends. Because of this we post volunteers at safe distances from the work and we do not allow hikers to proceed through the work areas. Safety is always, always the number one priority in any of the work that we do, and having people without safety clothing, equipment, and training around the work area is absolutely forbidden.



This kind of work may be slow but it's safe. It's labor intensive and exhausting but it gets the job done. It re-opens the trail to a safe and usable condition without having to wait years or decades for nature to do it naturally. It also allows us to pro-actively down dead trees that will eventually cause problems, allowing us to drop trunks so that they can be used to retain soil during the rainy season.

Once the deadfalls are removed, the hung up trees are pulled down and bucked up, and the trail is cleared of plants that have grown in the fire-ash-rich topsoil, the Trailbuilders will take a look at the way rain water is drained off of the trail and the final touches will be carved in to the trail.

The last thing that will be done before periodic maintenance takes over is an effort to work with the U. S. Forest Service's Resource Officer to provide as many young pine tree saplings as possible so that volunteers can be assembled to enter in to the burn area along Soldier Creek and to replant the area.

Typically something near 300 or 400 four-year-old pine saplings can be planted by 50 or so volunteers in under four hours though I would estimate that in order to hike back and forth from the highway trailhead in to the burn areas to plant 300 or 400 trees would take more time -- perhaps 6 or 7 hours. Since the creek always has water running in it all year, water can be carried up from the creek and each pine sapling can be given a drink after they're placed in their new homes.

That's Soldier Creek, something of a representative of how a trail gone bad can be reworked to bring it back to a safe, usable condition once again. Reading about such an effort may look like it's hot, exhausting, sweaty, but rewarding work -- and it is -- but it's also fun. Working like this affords an opportunity that very few people living in the cities and urban enclaves of society ever get to experience.

There is also the added benefit of exercise.

I see a lot of cars parked outside of exercise companies such as one called "L. A. Fitness" which boasts a motto of, "Where fitness is a way of life," according to their web site.

I always wonder at why people will pay good money to purchase a contract to exercise in one, a contract which most people who purchase them use for a few months and then give up on, much like exercise bikes, weight lifting equipment, rowing machines, and all the rest that people buy thinking they'll use to get in to shape and then quickly abandon.



The volunteers who will be restoring Soldier Creek back in to its original wonderful self will be getting exercise for free, doing it outdoors, enjoying the hot Sun, the cold rains, and the companionship -- not to mention the laughter and yelling of Boy Scouts and other young volunteers enjoying the effort as well.

The other kind of trail which goes bad is the more common one where a section of the trail breaks off and slides down in to the canyon, leaving either no trail left or an extremely narrow and unsafe gap in the trail.

Upper Bear Creek Trail (North 34 degrees, 17.249 by West 117 degrees, 50.565 at 3273 feet, see Bear Creek Status for the trail's current status, and also see USFS Bear Creek for local flora) is one such hiking trail.

This trail begins around mile marker 30 along Highway 39 (a.k.a. Azusa Blvd. a.k.a. San Gabriel Canyon) and climbs another 3000 feet or so up to Smith Mountain Saddle before the trail enters in to the designated wilderness.

The hiking trail is much loved and heavily used, at least when the Caltrans gate which currently closes the road is moved up the highway from its current position to just past the trailhead so that people can get to the trailhead. On any given day of the year regardless of weather there are people hiking up and down the trail.

The main parking lot at the trailhead is huge, consisting of an area called the "Valley of the Moon" which boasts of parking for about 100 cars. The allure of the trail is that it tops out at Smith Mountain Saddle, dips in to the designated wilderness, and then heads downward again toward the direction of the Rincon Fire Station and then on to West Fork Road where the other trail head is.

In all Bear Creek Trail is about 11 miles long. Hikers find a huge number of areas where they may camp for the night, find water and solitude, commune peacefully with bears, and come back out of the trail back on to solid concrete where after it's another 2 mile hike to Highway 39 then another 7 or 8 mile hike back up to Valley of the Moon, if that's where they left their vehicle.

Day hikes and overnight campouts are very popular along Bear Creek Trail however in January of 2008 there were reports from hikers that the trail had gone bad about 2.25 miles from the upper trailhead at Valley of the Moon. This end of the trail is usually the starting point for the trek along the trail since most of the hike is down hill once Smith Mountain Saddle is reached, and the walk back up is on the road -- an easy hike.

What had happened was that a 15 foot section of the trail which abuts a San Gabriel Granite cliff face broke off along with thousands of pounds of dirt and rock under it (see http://www.CrystalLake.Name/twork/19jan08/19jan08.htm ) and left a gap across which it was extremely dangerous to pass.

The gap (North 34 degrees, 17.575 by West 117 degrees, 51.374 at 4175 feet) was such that the first survey used ropes and safety equipment to traverse at which point an estimation of the effort needed to rebuild the trail was made. While the survey was being conducted, hikers attempted to pass through and while most turned back a few used our ropes to cross -- against our wishes but we could not stop those who had seen rock climbers using ropes and thought that seeing it on television qualified them to do
it safely.



Ha! As volunteers we can ask that people not do things that are dangerous but we can't actually stop anyone unless we actually arrest them, something we have never had to do but might when it comes to falling trees, blasting, and other, more serious hazards when we work. Even then we can't physically restrain people.

If anyone wants to proceed and fights for their right to put their lives -- and other people's lives -- at risk, all we can do is radio up and down the line to stop all work, step back, retreat to safety, and allow the irresponsible people to pass.

Fortunately we've never had a serious problem, only people crossing on our ropes when we don't want them to and on rare occasion literally picking up our tools that we just set down, stealing them, and hiking off with our tools (I have to laugh a bit each time that happens. The audacity of some people is amazing.)

The Bear Creek gap left no conceivable foothold. People could climb down in to the canyon (about 200 feet at that point) cross the ravine, and then climb back up on the far side however we watched a number of hikers doing that and while they did so successfully and safely, there is still a pretty good danger in that a wrong step could mean a rolling fall of another 300 feet or so to the canyon floor.)

The canyon walls themselves are exposed to direct Sunlight for most of the day and as such California baccata yucca and other varieties of yucca (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca ) grows very well on the canyon walls and the floor of the ravine -- at least where rock slides have not buried the plants below.) Bayonet yucca (or Spanish Bayonet) is very unhappy to fall on to since it's often got very sharp barbs and the sides of each palm can be extremely sharp.

At some times of the year the canyons in the area are crammed packed with yucca, usually the variety that looks like filamentosa which has flowers that I've eaten safely before -- something that's probably not really healthy to do because moths lay their eggs in the flowers.

Because of the danger the U. S. Forest Service pronounced the trail closed past the point of the gap, issuing official declarations and posting warning signs at the upper trailhead.

Two other surveying efforts which followed up the closure was performed by the SGMTBs which brought numerous tools to try to use to effect enough of a safe trail up against the rock face, if possible, to re-open the trail. After much pounding, chipping, prying and some abusive language, we left with the trail still being un-passable though we did block off the trail with a rope to keep people from proceeding.

After the rope was stolen we pretty much gave up trying to keep people from trying to cross the gap but since the trail is closed, anyone caught using the trail past the gap can be expected to be fined -- and the routine helicopters as well as fixed-wing aircraft patrolls can easily see people on the trail to call them in on the radio and give physical descriptions of their clothing. What fun!

Now the rock face needs to be blasted apart with explosives which can be used after an environmental impact survey and report are created and after the SGMTBs build protective covers for the variety of endangered plants that are in the area and then apply the protection.

Four hundred pounds of explosives were apparently planned for the blasting apart of the cliff face, something that I have to smile about. We can use rock hammer drills to drill blasting holes in to the cliff face, using safety ropes and equipment do to so safely. Then I would have expected that anywhere from 50 pounds to 80 pounds or so would have been enough to fracture the rock however 400 pounds has been requested.

Once blasting has been completed volunteers can come in and pry apart the loose rock, further chipping out the cliff face as needed and possibly requesting additional blasting if needed. 400 pounds of explosives and the assorted tools and equipment needed for the job will have to be carried in on people's backs or on the backs of horses or mules.

Once all of the rock face that is needed to be removed has been excavated and removed, another evaluation of the effort will be performed and the environmental safety measures applied to the protected endangered species in the area will be removed. Once that has been accomplished the SGMTBs will carve out a new section of trail where the rock cliff face previously was.

We have a couple of things going for us for when this restoration project takes place, hopefully at the beginning of next year if Caltrans allows us to cross the bridge along the highway that they are currently working on.



The biggest help for this project is the availability of water in a ravine about 500 feet further up the trail past the gap, water which should run perhaps four months out of the year. The second help is that there is some shade in the area during morning hours thanks to the hillsides and ravines.

We're not supposed to drink the water but having a source means that the dirt, grime, and sweat can be washed off from time to time and volunteers will be able to cool off during the restoration project.

This is how some of the things get done in the Angeles National Forest. Hiking trails and nature trails are established and maintained either by contractors or by volunteers (or by deer and other animals, I should add.) Volunteers are preferable since they don't need to be paid however contractors afford a professional level of workers who are trained in safety whereas volunteers may not be.

The best of all worlds is having experienced volunteers who are safe and do it all for free, or having experienced professional volunteers who work with inexperienced volunteers so that new generations of safe and experienced volunteers can have fun doing such work in the forest.

From time to time hikers will work their way through a trail restoration or maintenance project and they'll be amazed at the hard work and effort that goes in to keeping hiking trails open. Some seem to think that trails magically appear -- and some will trails do seem to thanks to deer and other animals -- and that trail maintenance is done by hiking clubs and paid Forestry employees.

Hiking clubs some times do form trail work crews and they will do a whole lot of work, rebuilding the trails that they love and making things safer, yet often trail clubs and hiking clubs don't last very long and while everyone in such clubs wish that more people would join and carry on the club's efforts, over the months and years such clubs often simply die out.

There are a number of organized, systematic trail working crews that operate in Southern California, teams which work closely with the U. S. Forest Service to maintain hiking trails all throughout Southern California. All such teams do pretty much the same work as I described above when trails go bad or just need some routine maintenance.

None are as majestic, rugged, and (let's face it!) heroic as the San Gabriel Mountains Trailbuilders, of course, but there are a number of groups out there that do a whole lot of good work.

If you're interested in joining such a group or just want to come out and participate on a project to see what it is like, email me at feedback@crystallake.name or contact Ben White at bwootenwhite@hotmail.com and we will let you know when the next work day is scheduled, where we will meet, what we will be doing, and what you should bring along.

All of the tools and equipment needed for trail work is usually provided by the crew team that you'll work with, needing only that you bring a hat, lots of water to drink, and your lunch. Often gloves are provided since experienced groups will require safety equipment as needed for each job and they will have plenty to loan out to volunteers.



The SGMTBs usually provides cold drinks in an ice chest where bringing in an ice chest is not too difficult. Our team also provides hands-on experience and organization for volunteers who might like to acquire chainsaw or crosscut saw certifications, wilderness first aid medical certifications, or delayed medical response certifications.

It's an opportunity for experienced hikers to see the other side of the trail. More than that, it's fun.


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T SharpThanks

T Sharp

Voted 10/10

For all the hard work, and coordinating the important effort of all the volunteers! A well written and interesting read!
Cheers;
Tim
Posted Nov 15, 2008 12:21 am

DamOTcleseRe: Thanks

DamOTclese

Hasn't voted

Thanks, yeah, it's fun, too. Some times I have to wonder at all the people who go to exercise clubs and pay money for it. }:-}
Posted Nov 20, 2008 8:38 pm

sealevelmickhowdy

sealevelmick

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liked the article, and thanks for the effort you've put in.
... but there's a coupe things im triping on.
first is about shearing the pins on the griphoist-
do you have a 32 box? are you putting blocks on the load?
also, about the explosives- 50 pounds?
for granite, (ive only helped set up a handfull of real blasts)
theres this stuff that a master blaster could, should, would use called 'kinepak'. and fifty pounds of it is enough to split the moon in half. maybe the proximity of the rare plants prevents the use of that type of explosive- no tarp you could cover them with would stop the flyrock from passing right through- the stuff has got to be traveling at a 1000fps. but in that case why not betanomit or some other type of no-license-needed explosive or expander?
and then, as far as the arresting people goes- i am a civilian, i am on a trail crew. to me that has never really been an option. i think LE would frown upon it. (it may even be against the law) at any rate i would hope to manage that risk way before it got to that point.
lastly- and this is hard for me to approach because the last thing i want is to be negative about what appears to be a very positive thing you have going on- but, what happened to the trail crew? i kind of cringe when i hear the best option is for people to do it for free. Take your profession- you might be a little dismayed if someone were to say 'well these guys are ok but the best way to do it is to have it done for free' all im saying is that i wish you were getting paid for what youre doing. i realize thats unlikely because USFS has cut most of thier trail programs but it was once a reality and from what ive heard the stan and inyo have still got good programs (which trace back to the ccc crews of the 30's and 40's and whose trailwork draws upon and reflects that tradition).
anyway, thanks again for getting people involved, and i hope you guys continue your great work- God knows its badly needed.
Posted Nov 15, 2008 1:08 am

DamOTcleseRe: howdy

DamOTclese

Hasn't voted

> liked the article, and thanks for the effort you've
> put in. but there's a coupe things im triping on.

It's good fun. I like hiking and camping, and at times I like rock climbing, but trail work followed by camping and hiking is the best. }:-}

> first is about shearing the pins on the griphoist-
> do you have a 32 box? are you putting blocks on the
> load?

I don't know what the make or model of the griphoist is. I'm one of the dumber trail workers when it comes to the design and decision makings. I do know that we usually use straight through cable without pulleys where ever possible and only use pulleys when we must since our cables are expensive and when we get kinks -- even with large radius pulleys -- it decreases the life of our cables.

> also, about the explosives- 50 pounds? for
> granite, (ive only helped set up a handfull
> of real blasts) theres this stuff that a
> master blaster could, should, would use
> called 'kinepak'. and fifty pounds of it
> is enough to split the moon in half.

LOL! I have no experience with commertcial explosives, but I think you're right -- which is why when we were told that 400 pounds would be purchased, I kind of boggled at the quanity.

What ever is left over will need to be traded to other regions who have a need, would be my guess.

> the stuff has got to be traveling at a 1000fps.
> but in that case why not betanomit or some other
> type of no-license-needed explosive or expander?

The amount of drilling and the amount of betonomite would be a whole lot, and only works well when the rock is fairly hard. We looked at using it there but the rock face is friable San Gabriel Granite with lots of fisures and cracks.

We used betonomite on a toilet access trail down from the Highway to the San Gabriel River, and it worked very well since the rocks we busted up and used for the trail bed were hard.

> and then, as far as the arresting people goes-
> i am a civilian, i am on a trail crew. to me
> that has never really been an option. i think
> LE would frown upon it. (it may even be against
> the law) at any rate i would hope to manage
> that risk way before it got to that point.

Any citizen in California can effect a citizen's arrest on another when a crime has been committed and a police officer or ex-police officer was not a witness. A citizen can not restrain, however, and of course the citizen is in a world of hurt if there is no evidence of a crime being committed or no evidence that the person they arrested committed the crime.

The notorious Scientology crime syndicate committed a "citizen's arrest" against a human rights advocate last month who was outside of their heavilly armed and fortified cult compound at Gilman Hot Springs last month. The violently insane criminals -- three of them -- assaulted the human rights advocate and then to cover up the crime filed fraudulent "citizen's arrest" against the human rights advocate.

It was all caught on video by other rights activists protesting against Scientology's crimes, and the fact that the people committing assault, committed a fraudulent citizen's arrest, and then filed false reports means that the three Scientology criminals will hopefully go to prison.

But the act of arresting someone for the commission of an actual crime of which there is actual evidence, that's comment and, in fact, it's done fairly often by corporate security guards.

People who are subjected to citizen's arrest can easiully sue the claimant who made the arrest, and very often they win because the person performing the arrest usually does it out of spite, hate, bigotry, racism, or some other reason -- such as Scientology trying to silence human rights advocates.

But legitimate citizen's arrests are protected by the courts. That doesn't mean that civil lawsuits against the person performing the arrest isn't costly, but it's protection against losing such lawsuits.

For me, I will never arrest anyone unless they constitute a fatal safety hazard or they have committed a violent crime or are in the commission of a violent crime, and even then only if it is safe to attempt to effect an arrest.

The USFS people ask politely for people to stay while the police arrive, and the let the cops examine the evidence and make the arrest. That's so much saner, yep.

> but, what happened to the trail crew? i kind
> of cringe when i hear the best option is for
> people to do it for free. Take your profession-
> you might be a little dismayed if someone were
> to say 'well these guys are ok but the best
> way to do it is to have it done for free' all
> im saying is that i wish you were getting paid
> for what youre doing. i realize thats unlikely
> because USFS has cut most of thier trail
> programs but it was once a reality and from
> what ive heard the stan and inyo have still
> got good programs (which trace back to the ccc
> crews of the 30's and 40's and whose trailwork
> draws upon and reflects that tradition).

The paid trail crew -- Marvin's company -- were contracted for a specific number of miles and sections on specific trails and when they were done, they asked if they could hang around and do some more and were told that there is no money for any further restoration.

The CCC -- oh man, they always impress me. When they work on a trail, the hump right along and get the job done and there's no way I have ever been able to keep up with them when they've been out.

Their crews get paid some small amount of cash for each day's work, but man they really work hard and hot!

But there are no paid crews working routinely, it's all volunteers. And the San Gabriel Mountains Trailbuilders are the number 1 organization in Southern California and at that they'll also build bridges, rock walls, and lots of other things that eat in to the actual miles of trail that they accomplish each year.

Still, it would be nice if there were more volunteers with the SGMTBs since that way more trails would get more attention, and hikers wouldn't have to life their children over obstructions. }:-}

> anyway, thanks again for getting people
> involved, and i hope you guys continue your
> great work- God knows its badly needed.

Thanks, and it really is great fun. I've been going up and down the canyons for like 25 years and it was only like 4 years ago that I learned about the volunteer efforts being done by the SGMTBs. I got with them so I could get training and so that I could get exercise and spent even more time in the moun tains.

Probably the only time I've ever worried about what I was doing was on our Mount Waterman trail clearing project from end to end, done over two days. I was trembling on the edge of crying off and asking for help carrying my tools and equipment, I was that exhausted.

It was so bad that I was hallucinating and had ocular migranes and other vision problems. I have never been so exhausted and I did things with the Indian Sporings Air Force Base. }:-} 'Course that was in my youth.

Any way, thanks for the thanks.
Posted Nov 20, 2008 9:06 pm

mvsvery interesting

mvs

Voted 10/10

I think there is a lot of depth behind your explanations. Thanks for sharing and giving us a glimpse into the world of trail builders.
Posted Dec 4, 2008 4:27 pm

Vic HansonGood work

Vic Hanson

Voted 10/10

Thanks for the informative article about trail building, and especially the info on the Upper Bear Creek Trail. I hike up Lower Bear Creek last year, probably the beginning of April, but by the time I got to Smith Saddle it was getting late so I turned around and went back down. So I didn't realize that the trail below that was wiped out. I've corresponded a bit with Ben White about the trail after the Curve fire so have been somewhat familiar with your work there. I'll be back in L.A. in March, I'll try to remember to contact you and see if I can help out on a crew sometime then. Vic
Posted Jan 4, 2009 2:16 pm

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