this page would be very useful for myself and others if it included photos to your definitions. In addition, expanding your list of glossary terms to include other mountaineering terms.
I agree about the photos, I'll try to get around to that next week.
There are two reasons why I haven't expanded it to cover related topics (rock climbing, knots, ice climbing, terrain terms like "bergschrund", etc). One is, I'm no expert in many of those areas. Another is, I'm worried that as it gets bigger it will need to be more thoughtfully organized (with a true alphabetical index, and maybe a category index) in order to be useful, and right now my time is limited. But if anyone wants to contribute, please PM me and I'll give you admin privileges.
Thanks for adding this to SP. Interesting read. I agree that it could certainly be expanded, perhaps with help from other experts in the various subjets.
Maybe some time words in other languages will be added too, I've seen ppl in SP asking what some word means in some local name in another language. E.g. mount(Mt.) = wierch,szczyt(Polish) = vrch,štit(Czech/Slovak) = vrh,kuk(Croatian/Serbian) = vrv(Macedonian) - simple but useful :)
I wouldn't agree with your definition of summit - e.g. 'Everest South Summit' is used as well as 'E. S. Peak'.
Everest is not the only example of a major world mountain with multiple "summit"s. I've decided to soften my definition.
I think a multilingual lexicon would be very useful. I've suggested that each other language could have its own page like this one, but I could also add translations to at least the major sections of this page.
needle
- A tall, narrow spire of rock. Pinnacle is also used for this, at least in this part of the country. Lone Man Pinnacle and The Pinnacle are two great examples.
Spire
- a tall and pointy rock formation, resembling a steeple.
Often round or flat topped here, instead of pointed, but always very thin.
Tower-often used interchangably with spire, but often (but not always) thicker and more massive than spires. Fisher Towers are examples).
Fin-a tall, narrow, but long protusion of rock.
Also, headwall, point, and base, could be added if you would like.
brianhughes - Feb 24, 2006 10:58 pm - Hasn't voted
get to the point ...
I like what you've done so far. You might expand the definition of "point" to include a location from which you can look down on a large area, i.e vantage point. Maybe synonomous in this sense with "Overlook". Two examples that would be familiar to many people here are Glacier Point at Yosemite and Plateau Point at the Grand Canyon.
Cwm (as in Western Cwm on Everest) a Welsh word that means Valley, but in this context describes a Corrie ( Scottish) or Cirque (French). Essentially, the head of a valley surrounded by a crescent of steep faces, caused by a glacier falling away from the original ridge.
Col. The lowest part of a ridge. Usually describes a pass between two valleys that crosses a ridge at it's lowest point. (Again using Everest, the South Col is the saddle between Lhotse and Everest). A Col is known in the Himalayas as a 'La' and in Welsh as 'Bwlch'
Last but not least, Llyn (Welsh) Loch (Scottish) and Lake (English) all mean the same thing.
"Turret" just means "small tower". (Or it did, in medieval times. Nowadays it can also mean a pivotable gun emplacement (eg, on a ship, airplane, or tank), even one that's not tower-shaped.) Metaphoric terms like this should be self-explanatory. I've already got "needle", "spire", and others listed, but if "turret" is only used on one mountain then it should probably stay off the list.
NewDayRising - Feb 18, 2006 7:06 am - Voted 10/10
good startthis page would be very useful for myself and others if it included photos to your definitions. In addition, expanding your list of glossary terms to include other mountaineering terms.
NewDayRising - Feb 28, 2006 8:28 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: good startmuch improvement from my first visit!!
nartreb - Feb 18, 2006 5:16 pm - Hasn't voted
I agreeI agree about the photos, I'll try to get around to that next week.
There are two reasons why I haven't expanded it to cover related topics (rock climbing, knots, ice climbing, terrain terms like "bergschrund", etc). One is, I'm no expert in many of those areas. Another is, I'm worried that as it gets bigger it will need to be more thoughtfully organized (with a true alphabetical index, and maybe a category index) in order to be useful, and right now my time is limited. But if anyone wants to contribute, please PM me and I'll give you admin privileges.
Brad Snider - Feb 18, 2006 7:06 pm - Voted 9/10
Good idea!Thanks for adding this to SP. Interesting read. I agree that it could certainly be expanded, perhaps with help from other experts in the various subjets.
kamil - Feb 20, 2006 9:53 pm - Voted 9/10
very good idea!Maybe some time words in other languages will be added too, I've seen ppl in SP asking what some word means in some local name in another language. E.g. mount(Mt.) = wierch,szczyt(Polish) = vrch,štit(Czech/Slovak) = vrh,kuk(Croatian/Serbian) = vrv(Macedonian) - simple but useful :)
I wouldn't agree with your definition of summit - e.g. 'Everest South Summit' is used as well as 'E. S. Peak'.
cheers!
kamil
nartreb - Feb 21, 2006 2:36 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: very good idea!Everest is not the only example of a major world mountain with multiple "summit"s. I've decided to soften my definition.
I think a multilingual lexicon would be very useful. I've suggested that each other language could have its own page like this one, but I could also add translations to at least the major sections of this page.
SawtoothSean - Feb 21, 2006 6:13 am - Voted 10/10
GendarmeI'll be using Gendarme more often- thanks
brendon - Feb 23, 2006 9:58 am - Voted 10/10
couloirAdd this one.
Scott - Feb 23, 2006 10:42 pm - Voted 10/10
Moreneedle
- A tall, narrow spire of rock. Pinnacle is also used for this, at least in this part of the country. Lone Man Pinnacle and The Pinnacle are two great examples.
Spire
- a tall and pointy rock formation, resembling a steeple.
Often round or flat topped here, instead of pointed, but always very thin.
Tower-often used interchangably with spire, but often (but not always) thicker and more massive than spires. Fisher Towers are examples).
Fin-a tall, narrow, but long protusion of rock.
Also, headwall, point, and base, could be added if you would like.
brianhughes - Feb 24, 2006 10:58 pm - Hasn't voted
get to the point ...I like what you've done so far. You might expand the definition of "point" to include a location from which you can look down on a large area, i.e vantage point. Maybe synonomous in this sense with "Overlook". Two examples that would be familiar to many people here are Glacier Point at Yosemite and Plateau Point at the Grand Canyon.
Nigel Lewis - Feb 26, 2006 2:32 pm - Hasn't voted
A few moreCwm (as in Western Cwm on Everest) a Welsh word that means Valley, but in this context describes a Corrie ( Scottish) or Cirque (French). Essentially, the head of a valley surrounded by a crescent of steep faces, caused by a glacier falling away from the original ridge.
Col. The lowest part of a ridge. Usually describes a pass between two valleys that crosses a ridge at it's lowest point. (Again using Everest, the South Col is the saddle between Lhotse and Everest). A Col is known in the Himalayas as a 'La' and in Welsh as 'Bwlch'
Last but not least, Llyn (Welsh) Loch (Scottish) and Lake (English) all mean the same thing.
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NewDayRising - Feb 28, 2006 8:42 pm - Voted 10/10
turretturret (used for castle peak in tahoe peaks) first i heard of it.
nartreb - Mar 1, 2006 3:47 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: turret"Turret" just means "small tower". (Or it did, in medieval times. Nowadays it can also mean a pivotable gun emplacement (eg, on a ship, airplane, or tank), even one that's not tower-shaped.) Metaphoric terms like this should be self-explanatory. I've already got "needle", "spire", and others listed, but if "turret" is only used on one mountain then it should probably stay off the list.
NewDayRising - Mar 1, 2006 4:56 am - Voted 10/10
wiki list of climbing glossariescheck this link for other climbing glossaries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climbing_glossary
dadndave - Mar 4, 2006 10:16 am - Hasn't voted
clogwyn(Welsh) a cliff
pronounced clogwin
dadndave - Mar 4, 2006 10:17 am - Hasn't voted
mynydd(Welsh) a mountain, ( the "y" is pronounced somewhere between "i" and "u", and "dd" is pronounced "th" as in the english word "the"
dadndave - Mar 4, 2006 10:17 am - Hasn't voted
Graig(Welsh) A crag
JScoles - Mar 4, 2006 8:56 pm - Hasn't voted
Mount vs MountainDifferance between Mount and Mountain. None really it is how the mountain is called. A Mountain that is name after some one is usually called a Mount.
ie Mount Everest
Mount Logan
Mount Marcy
A mountain that is named after something is usually called a Mountain ie
Black Bear Mountain
Big Slide Mountain
Wolf Jaw Mountain
It is also a matter of iliteration and a good example is
Panter Peak and
Pike's Peak Just sounds better than
Mount Panther or
Mount Pike
This is the general
PeterN - Mar 5, 2006 7:04 am - Voted 10/10
Mountains in other languagesSome good info in there
You could add those to the mountain in other language section:
German: Berg
Russian: гора (gora)
Scott - Mar 5, 2006 7:35 am - Voted 10/10
Re: Mountains in other languagesAlso Ri is hill or small mountain in Nepal. Feng is the name for mountain in Tibet.