How could Sunlight Spire be official with only 215 vertical from Sunlight? I understand that it's difficulty means the 215 might as well be 2,150, but if that's the standard we used to determine what is and isn't an official 14er we could pull a bunch of established 14ers from our list and add a bunch of gendarmes with 50 feet of elevation gain from the nearest higher peak.
Perhaps more than any mountain in America, Culebra's complex history is very important in helping climbers understand why things are the way they are. Many mountains have controversial histories, but Culebra takes the cake.
History affects us all in ways we may not be aware of or understand. The fate of mountains are carelessly handled by the greedy and thoughtless quite often. It makes me thankful for the Forest Service and Wilderness Areas to prevent such tragedies.
SP can serve in an educational capacity as well as a mountaineering capacity. What a great resource, particularly to warn climbers of likely problems they will encounter in such situations. Grant-thanks for going to the trouble to prepare this in-depth report of Culebra's history and uploading some historical shots. May we all have a better understanding and tolerance for this sad situation in the end. Well done!
I spoke with the CMC this week and they told me there is no lottery this year. They will be taking people that have been on the list in past years and not been able to get on the trip. The dates are August 27,28, and 29.
I have been working hard to hit the 52 mark all summer and now that I'm at 52 I will have wait a whole year before I will even have a chance to do Culebra. Culebra should be off the list of official 14ers.
How could Sunlight Spire be official with only 215 vertical from Sunlight? I understand that it's difficulty means the 215 might as well be 2,150, but if that's the standard we used to determine what is and isn't an official 14er we could pull a bunch of established 14ers from our list and add a bunch of gendarmes with 50 feet of elevation gain from the nearest higher peak.
This new information is valid as of 7.03.06
The owners of Cielo Vista ranch down by San Luis are now allowing us hikers access to camp just inside the main gate (North Headquarters) for the night before. They ARE NOT charging any fee for this AND they have provided a Port-O-Poty at the gate as well.
The actual gate is locked until check in time the morning of the climb but just step over the gate and camp anywhere within 150 yards of the gate.
You must check-out no later then 6:00pm (18:00).
The Lower Marmot - Aug 10, 2004 1:16 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentHow could Sunlight Spire be official with only 215 vertical from Sunlight? I understand that it's difficulty means the 215 might as well be 2,150, but if that's the standard we used to determine what is and isn't an official 14er we could pull a bunch of established 14ers from our list and add a bunch of gendarmes with 50 feet of elevation gain from the nearest higher peak.
Aaron Johnson - Apr 8, 2003 6:44 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentPerhaps more than any mountain in America, Culebra's complex history is very important in helping climbers understand why things are the way they are. Many mountains have controversial histories, but Culebra takes the cake.
History affects us all in ways we may not be aware of or understand. The fate of mountains are carelessly handled by the greedy and thoughtless quite often. It makes me thankful for the Forest Service and Wilderness Areas to prevent such tragedies.
SP can serve in an educational capacity as well as a mountaineering capacity. What a great resource, particularly to warn climbers of likely problems they will encounter in such situations. Grant-thanks for going to the trouble to prepare this in-depth report of Culebra's history and uploading some historical shots. May we all have a better understanding and tolerance for this sad situation in the end. Well done!
xskier77 - Aug 6, 2004 11:16 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentI spoke with the CMC this week and they told me there is no lottery this year. They will be taking people that have been on the list in past years and not been able to get on the trip. The dates are August 27,28, and 29.
I have been working hard to hit the 52 mark all summer and now that I'm at 52 I will have wait a whole year before I will even have a chance to do Culebra. Culebra should be off the list of official 14ers.
The Lower Marmot - Aug 10, 2004 1:16 pm - Voted 10/10
Untitled CommentHow could Sunlight Spire be official with only 215 vertical from Sunlight? I understand that it's difficulty means the 215 might as well be 2,150, but if that's the standard we used to determine what is and isn't an official 14er we could pull a bunch of established 14ers from our list and add a bunch of gendarmes with 50 feet of elevation gain from the nearest higher peak.
Kiefer - Aug 16, 2006 2:59 am - Hasn't voted
New BetaThis new information is valid as of 7.03.06
The owners of Cielo Vista ranch down by San Luis are now allowing us hikers access to camp just inside the main gate (North Headquarters) for the night before. They ARE NOT charging any fee for this AND they have provided a Port-O-Poty at the gate as well.
The actual gate is locked until check in time the morning of the climb but just step over the gate and camp anywhere within 150 yards of the gate.
You must check-out no later then 6:00pm (18:00).
seth@LOKI - Jul 6, 2015 6:27 pm - Voted 10/10
Thanks for the HistoryThanks for going into the history and posting this. Nice work. I love SP.
seth@LOKI - Jul 6, 2015 6:30 pm - Voted 10/10
CAMP AT GATE AS OF 7/4/2015UPDATE: YOU CAN STILL CAMP AT THE GATE FOR FREE. PORTA-POTTY AND TENT SITES - JUMP THE GATE.
Most slept in vehicles.
We were worried about this and got no response via email about camping.