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Re: 10/10 pages?

by MoapaPk » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:40 am

yatsek wrote:
MoapaPk wrote:I don't think SP can escape the current binary voting system of 10/10 or nothing. In a fair world, a lot of good pages would get an 8/10 or 9/10, but with the current system, that would sink such good pages below a lot of crap.

Sure. But some pages deserve to be sunk - with anything from 1-9/10.


And what will happen is that a lot of crap pages will still get 10/10, and few good pages, that people actually read, will get a few 8/10.

Before the FOIA, it was possible to include negative things in reviews of former workers or former students. In that time (say the 1970s), the average review for government workers was about 70%. After FOIA, the average review shot up to about 95% I remember getting a lot of letters of recommendation in the 90s that said vaguely positive things, then ended with "call me." During the call, you would discover all the nasty stuff not mentioned in the vague glowing review.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by Josh Lewis » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:47 am

My route comes up first result in Google. :wink: You were comparing ranking with quality which I assumed you meant SP with votes. If you meant Google, since when did the quality of your submission play a role in your ranking. :wink: I thought it had more to do with the overall site reputation and the seo (search engine optimization) quality of the site.

Dow Williams wrote:you want google recognition, you have to earn it...and either that is your sole purpose for contributing here or you are truly wasting your time...


How about neither. I'm not striving for google recognition, although it is certainly a nice thing to have. And I'm pretty sure I'm not wasting my time contributing if people are using my beta... am I mistaken? :P Well at least I have fun making pages. 8)

MoapaPk wrote:And what will happen is that a lot of crap pages will still get 10/10, and few good pages, that people actually read, will get a few 8/10.


My thoughts exactly! I've had some of my best work getting 7/10's which I was fine with. :) This is why it's becoming increasingly important for a 9/10 in the system to be more gentile so that people can vote more honestly.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by lcarreau » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:07 am

Josh Lewis wrote: :P Well at least I have fun making pages. 8)


Josh .. THAT'S what it's all about. If you're having FUN and putting in the time and passion to do something, you can ONLY get better.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't give a rat's ass 'bout Google. Once again, I ENJOY what I'm doing, and LOVE to make my images look good.

If y'all don't want me around, I'll always be "blessed" with a CHOICE of packing up my images and leaving the Site. Yes, I believe in Free Choice.

Once again, I did give that "Dude in question" a low vote because I (really) can't understand what a pipeline has to do with any peaks or mountains ...

http://www.summitpost.org/pipeline-utah/745612

Don't get me wrong! Though pipelines have NOTHING to do with mountains, I think PIPES would be MUCH more appropriate for summit adventurers ..

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by lcarreau » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:17 am

SORRY, but can ANYBODY EXPLAIN to me what THIS GUY is talking about ????

http://www.summitpost.org/pipeline-utah/745612

Are there any engineers or budding geologists in the House ???
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Re: 10/10 pages?

by lcarreau » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:49 am

I think we should continue the experimental analysis. I wonder what a hamster would vote for, IF A HAMSTER COULD VOTE ..

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by yatsek » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:54 am

MoapaPk wrote:Before the FOIA, it was possible to include negative things in reviews of former workers or former students. In that time (say the 1970s), the average review for government workers was about 70%. After FOIA, the average review shot up to about 95% I remember getting a lot of letters of recommendation in the 90s that said vaguely positive things, then ended with "call me." During the call, you would discover all the nasty stuff not mentioned in the vague glowing review.

I used to teach at a high school/college and I watched these changes coming over here, to Poland, in the 1990's.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by yatsek » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:10 pm

Kiefer Thomas wrote:
yatsek wrote:
Kiefer Thomas wrote:But, hey, sugar-coating doesn't do ANYONE any good. People just need to be more understanding and learn to accept [good] criticism as a tool for improvement. 6/10 shouldn't be viewed as a personal attack...it's representative of the time & quality put into a page. Nothing more.

6/10 :?: That's right-wing, chauvinist and authoritarian. :wink:

Hey! I have a left wing too! :P

I thought so. I also have two wings, which is exactly what makes me right-wing (and chauvinist, authoritarian and fascist). :wink:
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MoapaPk wrote:If you give a low vote, say why in the comments section, and indicate how the page owner might improve the page.

ABSOLUTELY!!! 8)

Most of the time, "Please study this" will be enough.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by yatsek » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:17 pm

borutbk wrote:
yatsek wrote:Most of the time, "Please study this" will be enough.

Imagine a page with quite a few 10/10 votes but you can prove to an admin that it's a bad page. The admin will promptly delete the page.

Sure. I've done this several times. But when it comes to new people, it'd be too harsh on them.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by yatsek » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:56 pm

Josh Lewis wrote:... One of my better photos I posted recently had 0 views. :lol: :wink: SP works kinda like facebook, something goes unnoticed until someone comments on the page... then suddenly everyone notices it. :P

A daily limit - say ten photos per person per day - is badly needed.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by lcarreau » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:32 am

yatsek wrote:
Josh Lewis wrote:... One of my better photos I posted recently had 0 views. :lol: :wink: SP works kinda like facebook, something goes unnoticed until someone comments on the page... then suddenly everyone notices it. :P

A daily limit - say ten photos per person per day - is badly needed.


To Josh and Mister Yatsek ... THIS explains it! Instead of voting, they were watching THIS on Big Screen TV ... :shock:

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by Scott » Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:02 am

For me, the way I have always differentiated the good pages from the so-so is not by percentage of 10-star votes, but by the total number of votes as measured against the popularity of the submitter.


That used to somewhat work, but going through the first few what's new pages, there isn't much correlation any more.

He's received quite a few negative votes but not a single one of the people who down voted him has bothered to tell him why or suggest improvements unless they did so in a PM.


I believe it was already addessed somewhat by the staff. The submissions used to be added as mountains/routes/trip reports, but the staff changed them to custom objects and the submitter followed suite. Since then the comments went away or were deleted and it wasn't as big of a deal anymore since they were only custom objects. There is an old thread about it somewhere. As to the intention purpose of the pages, no one seems to know.

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Re: 10/10 pages?

by Kiefer » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:17 am

lcarreau wrote:I think we should continue the experimental analysis. I wonder what a hamster would vote for, IF A HAMSTER COULD VOTE ..



Great! Thanks, Icarreau. :wink:
The only other way to distract me from the REAL TOPIC is to either put pictures of hot women with 6 more abs than
I currently have or cute & fuzzy things dancing around.
Thank God the teletubies got left out! :P

But at least I now know .0065% more about pipelines than I once did. So there is that!
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