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Re: Boot Help

by DanTheMan » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:15 pm

Depends on the condition of the Invernos. If they are in okay condition, keep the Invernos for Elberus and any other multi-day expedition climbs. Double boots are nice in the morning when it's 20 below. New liners could boost the warmth of these boots. Get the Nepals for Colorado and Rainier and any day stuff.

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Re: Boot Help

by SJ » Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:55 pm

Good advice from the previous post. I would sport the Inverno's on Elbrus if you're worried about cold (no experience there, but I hear it can get super cold) and pick up a pair of Nepal's. They are an awesome boot and super versatile and will definitely work on Rainier and MX. They are good for most pursuits in the lower 48 for that matter, I wear them in the Sierra year round.

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Re: Boot Help

by Brian C » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:09 am

Do your feet tend to be cold? Do you do overnight trips? Although not everything you're talking about, my Nepals were not keeping my feet warm enough on Colorado winter 14ers and igloos trips. I just bought a pair of LS Baruntse and love them. Took them ice climbing for the first time and they worked great for that as well and my feet were warm standing around in 5 degree weather while the folks in Nepals were all freezing.

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Re: Boot Help

by Damien Gildea » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:05 am

Are you retiring from climbing at the end of 2011, Fletch? :shock:

Cos what you buy might depend on what you do beyond this year. I agree Nepals might not be warm enough for Elbrus, from what I've heard of there, though fine for Rainier and Orizaba, and maybe OK with -40Below overboots, so long as you can put them on warm in the hut and your crampons fit over them. Baruntses would be a lot better for Elbrus, and not too much overkill on Orizaba or Rainier.

Spantiks are great boots, but overkill for anything in the Lower 48 or Mexico, and you've already done Denali. They'd just get trashed on Aconcagua, in case you're thinking of that, and they're not really warm enough for an 8000er, especially Everest, and they're not nimble enough for ice or technical climbing at home. So you probably don't want Spantiks.

Dane's coldthiste.blogspot has heaps of info on Baruntse vs. Spantik. They seem like a good intermediate step for most people between single boots and Everest boots.

Incidentally, almost all modern boots (not looked at the newest Scarpas) are actually way too stiff and technical for what many climbers are doing, which is mostly hiking. Nepals are good boots for technical ice and mixed climbing where you want stiffness for frontpointing. They are not the best boots for comfy hiking, and Rainier, Orizaba and Elbrus are all hiking - just hiking in snow and low-angle ice. There are other (single) boots out there that may be more suitable for what you, and most people, are doing than Nepals.


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Re: Boot Help

by divnamite » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:28 am

Damien Gildea wrote:and they're not nimble enough for ice or technical climbing at home. So you probably don't want Spantiks.

That's simply not true. Granted, if it's super technical stuff WI5+/6, yes, you might want something lighter and lower profile. For the general climbing population, they are more than capable of climbing technical stuff.

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Re: Boot Help

by kevin trieu » Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:44 am

My partner wore LS Nepal on Rainier in May, Elbrus in June, Ixta & Orizaba in November. All these peaks at their extreme can be very cold but when I was on Elbrus in June, there were Russian dudes in their Speedo and the chicks were in their sport spa at 15k' trying to get a tan after taking the snowcat up.

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Re: Boot Help

by JHH60 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:19 am

If Scarpa's lasts fits you, why not look at the Phantom 6000, Mont Blanc or Phantom Guide? They are analogous to the Spantik, Nepal, and Batura (respectively).

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Re: Boot Help

by fish4dinner » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:49 am

i have a pair of infernos use once on Aconcagua in 2008 size ?? i think 11.5 my foot is a 10.5 and they fit great ill sell cheep e mail me

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Re: Boot Help

by SKI » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:23 am

The answer:


This (should) cover all of your needs bud.

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Re: Boot Help

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Re: Boot Help

by Kai » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:13 am

For multi-day trips, it's nice to be able to dry out your inner boots.

You might want to look at the Scarpa Omegas. They are lighter than most of the boots you are considering, and you can take the inner boots out at night to dry them. They are comfortable to walk in, and flexible enough for French technique.

If you don't go with the double boot option, I'd suggest a VBL sock for multi-day climbs in single boots.

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