CA DFG President Kills Mountain Lion

by **lcarreau** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:19 am

Marmaduke wrote:
SeanReedy wrote: I wonder how much impact any of it will end up having on laws and culture in the long run.

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by **lcarreau** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:26 am

whitetail wrote:
The Chief wrote:
This is the America I know and love! Guns! Guns! Guns!

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by **Marmaduke** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:27 am

I wonder how much impact any of it will end up having on laws and culture in the long run

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:40 am

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Some information on laws and management throughout the western states (varies a lot from state to state):
http://www.wildlifemanagementinstitute.org/PDF/2-Culling%20Mountain%20Lions....pdf

Information on CA laws from a protection oriented source (exploring the site beyond this link provides more details):
http://mountainlion.org/117_7_Facts.asp

A research project in the nearby Santa Cruz mountains (where I often roam) and links to several articles:
http://www.felidaefund.org/research/bapp.html

I haven't seen a mountain lion yet (aside from one leaping up a 30 foot embankment while we were driving in SEKI at night), but I suspect they have seen me. It's been quiet for awhile, but reports of young ones being removed from backyards in residential neighborhoods and from areas adjacent to school grounds are common where I live. The fuss about it isn't big. BTW, the names given to the cougars in the research project are interesting. Obama and Etta jump out at me, along with some names from recent novels and from the The Lion King (my kids can finally stand the fear factor of that film, but aren't yet ready for The wizard of Oz, and especially not Deliverance.

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by **lcarreau** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:46 am

Marmaduke wrote:
I wonder how much impact any of it will end up having ...

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by **The Chief** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:25 am

twoshuzz wrote:We've had several sightings of "urban" cougars in PDX and surrounding towns/cities during hard winters with several human/cougar interactions.

Sounds like you all need this guy up there to rectify that cougar problema....

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:29 am

lcarreau wrote:
Marmaduke wrote:
this thread may have much impact ...

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:32 am

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:08 am

twoshuzz, sounds good. Living in and having family/close friends in several different parts of CA with vast cultural differences, I know folks with all sorts of different perpectives on hunting and weapons. What you are describing seems very reasonable to me.

The picture/case in the OP leaves many people with a bad taste though...polarizes instead of putting people in a mood to be reasonable and educated on facts surrounding game managment and hunting.

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by **colinr** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:28 am

I agree. That's where my post was heading. I know people who fall on both ends of those spectrums. I suspect the "shoot em all" crowd is outnumbered by those who think redneck at any mention of guns or hunting, especially the closer one gets to the coast...and I think that has been a growing trend. The funny thing is that many (but not all) who immediately cry redneck haven't put a lot of thought into where their food comes from. Thoughts of weapons and killing often bring a lot of this:

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by **Tanngrisnir3** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:00 pm

mrchad9 wrote:As per the typical the anti-hunting advocates are diverging from the actual issue at hand... what is the basis or foundation for asking for this guy to resign?

He shot an animal that was perfectly legal to do so where he was. Sure it would have been illegal IF he was in California, but he wasn't. Should he resign if he shoots a deer in deer season? Well, it would have been illegal IF he had done it out of season. Same logic.

What he did was perfectly legal, and he shouldn't resign based on it.

However, as a hunter myself, I find there is a commonality amongst trophy hunters and those who participate in 'canned hunts' that doesn't exactly square with what most people consider to be conservationist. That, and I've never met one who wasn't a first class asshole.

I find hunting for any other reason than getting food or lessening overpopulation (like deer in some places on the east coast) to be utterly unethical and, ultimately, a 'sportsman's' version of a cock-out.

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by **mrchad9** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:10 pm

Dow Williams wrote:
mrchad9 wrote:Kill and mountain lion, a bear, a deer, wild hogs, cattle at the slaughterhouse or chickens in a coup... it's all really the same thing.

As long as you include the neighbors dog and humans in that mix, very true....

Where's your logic in that? If you think what this guy did is remotely equivalent to killing a human then I think you are largely alone in that position.

by **mrh** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:10 pm

No issue here at all. And hunting cats without dogs? Virtually impossible.

by **norco17** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:47 pm

mrh wrote:No issue here at all. And hunting cats without dogs? Virtually impossible.

Not impossible. They use bate piles in Africa, but I don't think dogs would work well against an african lion.

twoshuzz wrote:Post rant:

For the record, I've never hunted for horns nor hide, but for food. I put down the rifle nearly 25 years ago in favor of the bow for a more "intimate" experience, one I feel helps close the gap. I even hunt grouse with the bow. I've never let a sliver fly beyond 30 yards at any animal even though I can "pop can" 3 arrows at 50 yards with little effort. Also, I'm a finger shooter, not a trigger shooter. I don't use range finders and all the little gadgetry that some favor nowadays. KISS.

I've never been one for the taxidermist, my walls hold no trophies. I simply was not raised that way. And though I've never been one for the use of dogs for big game, I've certainly seen what the sudden outlawing of said use can bring, especially after certain species become conditioned to that use.

I enjoy the hunt, but not the kill. What's on the table is both taken by me, cared for and processed by me and so on. No growth hormones, anti biotics or any of that BS. And I do know that what is in my freezer is indeed "free range" and completely "organic." My choice, my right, both of which I will fight to my dying breath.

Very good post. I agree almost entirely. I think you represent what most anti hunters will accept, bow hunting for food that has not been injected with any "BS."
I do however disagree about what you said on trophies. I personaly think that hides and antlers are beautiful. If I am going to take an animal then I will keep these. I have never hunted big game, but I do have an elk rack on my wall that a friend took. I have deer hooves that my grandpa was going to make into a gun rack before he passed, but he never got to, I use them as book ends. I hunt for food, but I am not going to let a beautiful part of the animal go to waste that will remind me of the outdoors when I am stuck inside.

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