by MoapaPk » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:41 pm
by rhyang » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:53 pm
goldenhopper wrote:If technology is so superior to traditional methods, why backpack or climb at all? Taking a Helicopter to a peak or backcountry area would be far easier and faster. Again as I said earlier, where do we draw the line? The increased risk and lack of creature comforts are part of the fun.
by woodsxc » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:14 pm
MtnHermit wrote:The primary reason for the satellite array is military, not civilian, we just benefit. Let's have The Chief explain how he'd put a Hellfire Missile within 30' of a target with a magnetic compass?MoapaPk wrote:The Chief wrote:Get in with one of these comp's and you might just learn something, MoapaPk. You'd be surprised at what one can do with a map and compass in ANY environment, in any weather condition and a in any location.
Go back and read the thread Chief. I mapped with an actually sighting compass for real, as part of my job, and have navigated thriough 8 whiteouts by map and compass. After reading your implication that one can triangulate without sighting distant objects, I now know why the military uses GPS so much.
Just because one can still navigate with 15th Century technology doesn't mean you have to or want to.
by geojag » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:55 pm
by Curt » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:56 pm
by jrbouldin » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:46 pm
geojag wrote:I kind of understand the arguement about not wanting GPSs in wilderness areas, but if that is the line you chose you probably shouldn't have your battery operated camera out there either.
by CClaude » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:14 pm
jrbouldin wrote:geojag wrote:I kind of understand the arguement about not wanting GPSs in wilderness areas, but if that is the line you chose you probably shouldn't have your battery operated camera out there either.
Ditto avy beacon, cell phone and headlamp. And why not extend it to stoves of all kinds, Swiss army knives, essentially all climbing gear, Gore-tex jackets, Vibram-soled boots, synthetic clothes, and frankly, just about everything we take with us?
I mean if you're going to be a Luddite, be a full blown Luddite and go in wearing an animal skin and carrying a torch. As for me, I'll take my Garmin Etrex and potentially save myself a helluva lot of time (and possibly grief) by using it when it helps.
ed: sp: Luddite
by rhyang » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:11 am
Dingus Milktoast wrote:Someone once asked me for the GPS coordinates for the base of Snake Dike on Half Dome. We were standing in the Valley. I pointed up to the dome and said... coordinate THAT.
Look UP from your browsers (easy for ME to say hahahahahahaha!), turn off your electionic binkies and stand TALL IN THE SUN.
Are you human or cyborg damnit!?
by jrbouldin » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:43 am
by rhyang » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:05 am
by rhyang » Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:40 pm
Dingus Milktoast wrote:after I repeatedly invited and was rebuffed by another climber about the same route
by MoapaPk » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:24 pm
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