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by Augie Medina » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:36 pm

JHH60 wrote:RE diving vs. climbing - In the past I've thought about the parallels between diving and climbing. E.g., there is some similarity in the post-activity process of getting back to where you started in technical diving vs. techncial climbing, insofar as the post-climb descent, especially if it involves rappelling, and the post dive ascent, especially if involves a long decompression with gas switches and open water drifting, often seem easy but in fact are often the most likely part of the process to get you killed if you get sloppy. But this weekend, after doing a deep dive with a long decompression, I realized there's a big difference - you hardly ever get to play with curious and friendly wild animals on a climbing descent:

http://www.baue.org/images/galleries/v/local/DolphinsAtNixies/_DSC8812.jpg.html

http://www.baue.org/images/galleries/v/local/DolphinsAtNixies/_DSC8778.jpg.html


Being two risky activities there are lots of parallels. Lack of concentration can get you in big trouble quickly in both. But one big difference I think is that in climbing your partner is likely to be a lot more useful in an emergency than the normal recreational diving partner. You wouldn't rope up on a glacier with someone unless you knew he had basic rescue skills like knowing how to construct a Z-pulley system, but I don't think recreational divers use the same standards when picking dive partners. Wow, this thread got off-track big time.

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by JHH60 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:53 pm

Mountain Impulse wrote:Being two risky activities there are lots of parallels. Lack of concentration can get you in big trouble quickly in both. But one big difference I think is that in climbing your partner is likely to be a lot more useful in an emergency than the normal recreational diving partner. You wouldn't rope up on a glacier with someone unless you knew he had basic rescue skills like knowing how to construct a Z-pulley system, but I don't think recreational divers use the same standards when picking dive partners. Wow, this thread got off-track big time.


That's true at the purely recreational diving level, but the climbing analogy of this would be class 1, 2 or maybe 3 stuff, where most people choose their climbing buddies casually as well. When you get into technical diving, you (or at least I) choose buddies more carefully. If you're cave diving, for example, and have a catastrophic gas failure a half mile from the exit, or are doing a gas switch on an ocean decompression dive and accidently grab the oxygen regulator at 120', your buddy's training and skill is what stands between you and death.

Apologies for the thread hijack. :wink:

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by mconnell » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:22 pm

JHH60 wrote:
Mountain Impulse wrote:Being two risky activities there are lots of parallels. Lack of concentration can get you in big trouble quickly in both. But one big difference I think is that in climbing your partner is likely to be a lot more useful in an emergency than the normal recreational diving partner. You wouldn't rope up on a glacier with someone unless you knew he had basic rescue skills like knowing how to construct a Z-pulley system, but I don't think recreational divers use the same standards when picking dive partners. Wow, this thread got off-track big time.


That's true at the purely recreational diving level, but the climbing analogy of this would be class 1, 2 or maybe 3 stuff, where most people choose their climbing buddies casually as well. When you get into technical diving, you (or at least I) choose buddies more carefully. If you're cave diving, for example, and have a catastrophic gas failure a half mile from the exit, or are doing a gas switch on an ocean decompression dive and accidently grab the oxygen regulator at 120', your buddy's training and skill is what stands between you and death.

Apologies for the thread hijack. :wink:


After having a dive buddy disappear on me when I really could have used a bit of help on a rec dive, I tend to pick my dive buddies at least as carefully (probably more so) than climbing partners.

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by Hotoven » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:51 am

Welcome! I hope you find this site stimulating!

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by Gator » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:43 pm

JHH60 thanks for the interesting parrells to climbing. I don't dive trimix just nitrox and air. I have done deep deco dives on air up to 200' and I agree that on thoes type of dives I will only dive with a few qualified divers. If it was not for the ocean I would live in a climbing state. This site is very cool, Ireally like it.

The only site that I enjoy as much is a couple of racing forums I'm on. I love road racing coarses on my cbr 1000rr. Another fun sport.

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by Hotoven » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:29 pm

Gator wrote:The only site that I enjoy as much is a couple of racing forums I'm on. I love road racing coarses on my cbr 1000rr. Another fun sport.


Ohh boy another one of theses guys...
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:D Just as long as you post photos like theses, you'll be excepted!

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by Gator » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:01 pm

Not one of thoes guys, one of these.

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by Gator » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:03 pm

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by Gator » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:04 pm

And always one of thses.
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by Gator » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:05 pm

Woops, I mean one of these.
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