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Suggest an interesting altitude study, now!

by WouterB » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:30 pm

Your suggestion might (or might not) be used on Aconcagua in 2012.

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by MScholes » Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:57 pm

The affect that oxygen thin air has on asthma.

Everyone I know feels that there is much benefit that altitude has on asthma conditions - not to mention well known climbers - Anatoli anyone? :D

Is there any actual medical evidence to support it though? I don't actually know if there is or not, but it'd be nice to see.

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by mstender » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:51 pm

Not so serious, but how about studying the effect of doing rippers (pot :lol: ) at high altitude. I once smoked a bong at 10000ft and it really kicked my ass. I would not be available to do it though since I kicked the habit many years ago.

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by WouterB » Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:55 pm

mstender wrote:Not so serious, but how about studying the effect of doing rippers (pot :lol: ) at high altitude. I once smoked a bong at 10000ft and it really kicked my ass. I would not be available to do it though since I kicked the habit many years ago.


Yes, I can see how this could work. Drive to Holland, buy a kilo, put it in my backpack, drive to the airport, go through customs, oh wait... .

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by fatdad » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:53 pm

The effects on vision of people who have had radial keratotomy. I heard of instance of people on Everest having vision problems. Supposedly the lack of air pressure at higher altitudes permits the eyes to bulge out more, but I don't know if this theory has ever been tested or at what altitude the effects become noticeable.

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by Luciano136 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:07 pm

mstender wrote:Not so serious, but how about studying the effect of doing rippers (pot :lol: ) at high altitude. I once smoked a bong at 10000ft and it really kicked my ass. I would not be available to do it though since I kicked the habit many years ago.


I think this one is pretty much proven to increase the effect. Same with alcohol. Someone once lit up at 13k while I was having a bad headache; that made for an interesting downclimb LOL

Maybe the effects of altitude on potency :lol: ? Some old folks using Viagra might not need it at 20k because of the lower pressure :lol:

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by mconnell » Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:35 pm

MScholes wrote:The affect that oxygen thin air has on asthma.

Everyone I know feels that there is much benefit that altitude has on asthma conditions - not to mention well known climbers - Anatoli anyone? :D

Is there any actual medical evidence to support it though? I don't actually know if there is or not, but it'd be nice to see.


Depends on what triggers a certain person's asthma. Mine is allergy related, so high altitude tends to cure all symptoms. A friend's was caused by exertion and cold, so she was in bad shape as soon as she tried climbing at higher altitudes.

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by Smoove910 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:16 pm

Test the effects of an orgasm at elevated altitude compared to sea level. Male and female.

I'm sure you can find a lot of subjects willing to be the control. :P

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by Smoove910 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:45 pm

sjarelkwint wrote:
Smoove910 wrote:Test the effects of an orgasm at elevated altitude compared to sea level. Male and female.

I'm sure you can find a lot of subjects willing to be the control. :P


But only male persons probably ... Why do you need to have sex on a 6000m summit, it is cold and the view will give you an orgasm without taking out your stuff in the air ...


Because you can.... and for bragging rights. Not many people can say they laid some pipe at 12,000+ ft.

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by CClaude » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:45 pm

The affect of l-arginine on the reduction of pulmonary edema.

-Its well known that l-arginine is the limiting substrate in the production of nitric oxide with the assumption that the individual has a healthy endothelium (probably a good assumption with a fit individual).
-It has also been shown that by increasing nitric oxide production, there is also a concurrent improvement in vascular tone.
-It has also been shown recently that vascular tone plays an important role in determining who gets HAPE and who doesn't.

Give these three assumptions, I'd expect that l-arginine would play a role in determining the outcome of HAPE.

One thing to caution about is the administration of l-arginine to an individual with a previous myocardial infarction is contraindicated due to an increase in cardiac events (from which I'd expect is a result on variations in vascular tone which may allow an increase in number of patient getting HF (sort of a result of the erectile hypothosis on why bone marrow mononuclear cells enhance cardiac function in post-AMI and HF patients by increasing angiogenesis leading to a higher capillary density and a stiffer tissue, whereas l-arginine increasing NO production would lead to an enlarged but relaxed blood vessel, allowing for myocardial slippage allowing a post-AMI patient to progress to HF).

If you want the journal articles that support the above assumptions I'd be glad to supply them.

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by mstender » Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:57 pm

CClaude wrote:The affect of l-arginine on the reduction of pulmonary edema.

-Its well known that l-arginine is the limiting substrate in the production of nitric oxide with the assumption that the individual has a healthy endothelium (probably a good assumption with a fit individual).
-It has also been shown that by increasing nitric oxide production, there is also a concurrent improvement in vascular tone.
-It has also been shown recently that vascular tone plays an important role in determining who gets HAPE and who doesn't.

Give these three assumptions, I'd expect that l-arginine would play a role in determining the outcome of HAPE.

One thing to caution about is the administration of l-arginine to an individual with a previous myocardial infarction is contraindicated due to an increase in cardiac events (from which I'd expect is a result on variations in vascular tone which may allow an increase in number of patient getting HF (sort of a result of the erectile hypothosis on why bone marrow mononuclear cells enhance cardiac function in post-AMI and HF patients by increasing angiogenesis leading to a higher capillary density and a stiffer tissue, whereas l-arginine increasing NO production would lead to an enlarged but relaxed blood vessel, allowing for myocardial slippage allowing a post-AMI patient to progress to HF).

If you want the journal articles that support the above assumptions I'd be glad to supply them.


Somebody is getting serious again...well, it's still in the general forum and not in PnP yet. :lol:

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by Luciano136 » Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:03 pm

sjarelkwint wrote:EDIT: The more I think about the IQ test the more interesting it gets .. The days you are at altitude you can test people ... You can try to arrange with the people to test them when they get back and aren't wasted (altitude + tired + ...) anymore in mendoza ...


I'm 100% positive it will lower IQ significantly but it would be interesting to see by how much.

Try to do some math when you get to 14k. Boy, is it ever tough. I remember on a few occasions trying to count how many hours and minutes it took me to get to the top and I have to seriously concentrate LOL

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