Ever seen a full blown midwestern tornado

Lolli wrote::lol:
Yes, god forbid one studies, adapts, and uses a working system from a smaller country.


Somehow it reminds me of a drowned New Orleans and the refusal to use the same kind of system as in the Netherlands...

The entire country of Holland, not just the reclaimed areas totals about 13000 sq miles. Defending the area flooded by Katrina would require building a system covering 3 states, at least 50 - 60000 sq miles.

If we copy the Swiss SAR system, can I keep a machine gun in my home too?

ksolem wrote:If we copy the Swiss SAR system, can I keep a machine gun in my home too?

Why would you need a machine gun?????

C'mon... please don't start!

Easy duz it Chief...

This is a spray ethics an slander forum, yes?

I'm just playin'.

The Chief wrote:

ksolem wrote:If we copy the Swiss SAR system, can I keep a machine gun in my home too?

Why would you need a machine gun?????

C'mon... please don't start!

Here is a good reason. The LA uprising back in 93. or 94 I forget.

LAPD basically ran off and hid out in the stations. Leaving the citizens to fend for themselves. for about 3 days.

Now I know a person who saved their business by arming his employees and firing off some bursts from a BAR and a Street Sweeper into the air. This turned the looting and burning mob away from his place and they went to find a better target.

Sort of negates the LAPD’s motto “To Protect and Serve” well at least the protect part.

Folks in some other states own them and I have never ever heard or read a report of crimes being committed by machine gun toting gangs.

I don’t trust our government at all for protection; our civilized society can break down at any second, for many reasons, and protecting you and I is at the bottom of the police priorities list.

I always say: It’s better to own a gun and never need it. Than to need one and not have one.

I know: a typical NRA stance.

When I went to do a winter solo of the Leaning Tower in Yosemite, I didn't even tell my family or girlfriend of my plans. No friggin' rescue.

You're on your own. I've crawled out of the wilderness on bloody knees when I fell free-soloing and broke my ankle. No friggin' rescue.

Self-sufficiency is what it's all about.

HOWEVER.... now when I am scuba diving out at sea, I take a personal locator beacon in case the dive charter leaves us behind....

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:When I went to do a winter solo of the Leaning Tower in Yosemite, I didn't even tell my family or girlfriend of my plans. No friggin' rescue.

You're on your own. I've crawled out of the wilderness on bloody knees when I fell free-soloing and broke my ankle. No friggin' rescue.

Self-sufficiency is what it's all about.

So, I guess the likes of Harding, Rowell, Will Ox, Middendorf, Tomaz Humar etc., are all weak and pussies!

Lolli wrote:eh... is that latter an argument?

You don't think it would have been worth it? For the people living there, and for the economy? New Orleans was one of the world's largest harbours. Billions was lost in the wake of Katrina.
But, I won't argue with you - if you don't think an entire city like New Orleans is worth saving, then I understand you won't think one single climber is worth saving.

Lolli, Try reading what I wrote. I agreed with my friend The Chief - just pointing out some significant logistical differences.

The remark about machine guns was to make a point. It seems to work well for the Swiss -they don't get invaded, even by the Germans - and they have very low crime.

Regarding Katrina, I have actually studied what happenned there. It is complex and has a long history rooted in local politics. And while New Orleans made the news other important cities in other states like Biloxi Mississippi anf Galveston Texas got ruined also. But it's way off topic. Protecting an area crossing the Gulf shoreline of 3 large states Dutch style could be the biggest engineering project in history. Much better to build smarter locally, and preserve marshlands between the city and the Gulf to absorb flood tides as was the case years ago.

Lolli wrote:
shit happens.

I rather be embarrassed than dead.

I'm good with that.

+ 1

Shit happens!

I'd rather be alive than dead!

The Chief wrote:So, I guess the likes of Harding, Rowell, Will Ox, Middendorf, Tomaz Humar etc., are all weak and pussies!

Yeah, all pussies! Especially Harding! I drank lots of Tequila with him at one of his birthday parties!

No, when I put myself out there I don't plan on being rescued if I screw up. But if a rescue comes my way, I wouldn't refuse it....

Back in the day we didn't have rescue insurance. It's kinda like the mentally "the leader mustn't fall," you just don't plan on rescue.

But now rescue insurance is available. I think next time I did a big expedition I'd buy some rescue insurance.

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:But now rescue insurance is available. I think next time I did a big expedition I'd buy some rescue insurance.

Why would you get rescue insurance here in the U.S.????

The Chief wrote:Why would you get rescue insurance here in the U.S.????

I would consider it being financially responsible.

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:

The Chief wrote:Why would you get rescue insurance here in the U.S.????

I would consider it being financially responsible.

What SAR entity charges here in the U.S, for any Rescue if one is not negligent?