by outofstep80 » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:22 pm
by bearbreeder » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:34 pm
by A-Lex » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:12 pm
by John Duffield » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:26 pm
bearbreeder wrote:example ... dead bird packs ... they dont weight any less than the competition, and frequently weight more ... some of them dont even have ice axe loops anymore ... it wont save you any weight
by Dow Williams » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:38 pm
by kozman18 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:32 am
by bearbreeder » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:46 am
John Duffield wrote:
I will say my beautiful Osprey (Live Bird?) 85 enables me to carry more shit a lot further and with greater comfort than my Boy Scout Yucca Bag with the home-built external frame.
by coldfoot » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:23 am
kevin trieu wrote:jschrock wrote:Just in case y'all missed it...this guy Dow climbs a lot. And real hard too. He even climbs real hard a lot. He's also a hard alpine climber who climbs all the time ... and hard.
Just in case you missed it...or didn't get the memo or something.
but isn't it my right as a hard climber that climbs a lot, and all the time to shit on people? it is my god given right, dammit!
by Dow Williams » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:20 pm
knoback wrote:"Gore-Tex is one of the biggest beefs I have. You've got a company that represents its product in advertisments as guaranteed waterproof. I go out with clients who have top-of-the-line 300$ Gore-Tex suits. They get wet. And I'm wearing a 50$ windshell that I've Scotch-guarded that keeps me dry longer than their stuff. Eventually, we both get wet and mine dries out like that. Theirs stays wet. And for anybody coming into the sport of climbing, Gore-Tex is a ten essential. It's not like, someone comes in and says, 'I'm going to splurge and buy this nice Gore-Tex jacket.' It's, 'I have to have this or I'm going to die.' ... I know this guy, wants to start a company. He's got some great ideas, and he totally agrees with me about Gore-Tex, but he's making the stuff out of Gore-Tex. He says, 'There's no way I can sell it unless I make it out of Gore-Tex. Gore spends millions of dollars on advertising. That's the other thing. The public is a problem. Every year, if the public wants what's new, whether it's simply a color or whatever, the companies are trying to outdo each other." - from an interview over 15 years ago with Jim Nelson for the book Cascade Voices. Not new, still true.
by Hotoven » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:52 pm
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