simonov wrote:Climbing is recreation. Nothing more.

Get over it.

The Chief wrote:

simonov wrote:Climbing is recreation. Nothing more.

Get over it.

You don't climb. So, what is the bases of your post?

simonov wrote:

The Chief wrote:

simonov wrote:Climbing is recreation. Nothing more.

Get over it.

You don't climb. So, what is the bases of your post?

I do climb, but I also read and am acquainted with dictionaries.

Those activities that are not necessary for survival or are not vocational are by definition recreational.

The end.

JasonH wrote:I climbed out of bed this morning.

The Chief wrote:

JasonH wrote:I climbed out of bed this morning.

Certainly the most difficult "Rated/Grade" climbing that you have done your entire life, Jason H.

ExcitableBoy wrote:I mostly pity people who through either circumstance or personal choice have never experienced the mountains in the way I have. I recall hanging out in the Cascade Pass parking lot trying to hitch a ride back down the road. A family from Sri Lanka was there sight seeing. They asked me if I had climbed any of the mountains and I explained that I had come from a mountain not in the view shed but I had climbed all of the mountains they could see. They asked me to name each peak and point out the different routes I had done. I took photos of the family in front of the peaks and they took turns having their individual photos taken with a 'real' mountaineer. It was an enriching experience for me and I think for the family as well. I am tickeled to think I may be in someone's vacation photos half way around the world.

kevin trieu wrote:That's not climbing, that's just snow slogging. You are not making the Chief proud.

ExcitableBoy wrote:

kevin trieu wrote:That's not climbing, that's just snow slogging. You are not making the Chief proud.

Really? The 5,000 ft North Face of Johannesberg - the climb that Colin Haley to this day calls the hardest climb relative to his experience he'd ever done - is just snow slogging? Not to mention The Triplets, Mixup, Sharfin Tower, the mightly south face of Forbidden Peak...

Steve1215 wrote:----

My own generation of California grad students (1974-1984) had a habit of not speaking to non-grad students about research. Maybe this was pure snobbery. Maybe it was not.

If some chubby co-worker non-grad student could not appreciate the finer points of research and the glorious scholarly pursuits…then what’s the point of talking to him about research?

My generation of grad students was a quiet and more judgmental generation. I’m talking about dedicated, committed individuals who were serious or pretty darn serious about research. The libraries gave us something special that was intense and very personal.

Today’s generation of grad students seems different, more ordinary, like research to a lot of them is just another career “advancement.” They walk down the street in university clothes and they paste university bumper stickers on their cars. Surely you know those people are grad students then! If they wear university clothes to work and display university bumper stickers!

In professional settings I’ve run across younger people who have “research volumes” up on their shelves, and they blab to their baffled co-workers about market analysis or case studies they’ve done. I’ve listened a few times, but I never tell them that I once was a pretty serious grad student. These grad students seem so “mainstream,” whereas my generation was quite a bit more “counter-culture.”

Though I was thin, a few non-grad students noticed that I had these freakishly developed critical reasoning skills. I did tell them that I developed those skills from research or preparing for research. That’s the only way most people ever found out I was a grad student!

I guess I was too egotistical about my little research accomplishments and the risks I took to share my personal research stories with ignorant and chubby non-grad students. They would never understand, anyway.

Anyone else feel the same way?

DRPW

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kevin trieu wrote:

ExcitableBoy wrote:I mostly pity people who through either circumstance or personal choice have never experienced the mountains in the way I have. I recall hanging out in the Cascade Pass parking lot trying to hitch a ride back down the road. A family from Sri Lanka was there sight seeing. They asked me if I had climbed any of the mountains and I explained that I had come from a mountain not in the view shed but I had climbed all of the mountains they could see. They asked me to name each peak and point out the different routes I had done. I took photos of the family in front of the peaks and they took turns having their individual photos taken with a 'real' mountaineer. It was an enriching experience for me and I think for the family as well. I am tickeled to think I may be in someone's vacation photos half way around the world.

That's not climbing, that's just snow slogging. You are not making the Chief proud.

kevin trieu wrote:but...butt..buttt... "when is the last time you spent a week on El Cap or worked an FA for the same amount of time or longer?"