Even though Wiley is correct, i seriously recommend the sugar cane alcohol drink they give you at the Tambopaxi lodge. its not much. about the same size as a shot glass that you're supposed to sip on. that shit will get you high on flavor alone.

http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page ... egory_ID=2

Rob @ Mountain Athlete does a great job. The above link is to his Big Mountain 60 day workout.

8kclimber wrote:http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page_ID=12&cart_category_ID=2

Rob @ Mountain Athlete does a great job. The above link is to his Big Mountain 60 day workout.

This has nothing to do with the OP but does anyone else feel the phrase "harder to kill", coined by Rob Shaul I believe, to be total b.s. used in its context? Has it been documented how many have died from not doing enough hard lifting in the gym?

psycobill wrote:

8kclimber wrote:http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page_ID=12&cart_category_ID=2

Rob @ Mountain Athlete does a great job. The above link is to his Big Mountain 60 day workout.

This has nothing to do with the OP but does anyone else feel the phrase "harder to kill", coined by Rob Shaul I believe, to be total b.s. used in its context? Has it been documented how many have died from not doing enough hard lifting in the gym?

I believe the phrase "Harder to kill" was coined by Mark Twight and his aggressive training.
“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people" is what he says.
I happen to agree with Rob & Mark, being stronger makes me able to handle different situations and move faster in the mountains...and faster = safer.
But, to each his own.

bird wrote:I believe the phrase "Harder to kill" was coined by Mark Twight and his aggressive training.
“Strong people are harder to kill than weak people" is what he says.
I happen to agree with Rob & Mark, being stronger makes me able to handle different situations and move faster in the mountains...and faster = safer.
But, to each his own.

Thanks for the clarification on the origins I agree with you Bird. You owe it to your partners & to the mountain to show up fit. But I feel phrase "harder to kill" used in its context--as an incentive to make people want to purchase a $75 training program--is wrong. There are a hundred other things that can make one "harder to kill". Taking a WFR, avalanche course, or learning & practicing vertical rescue techniques would make you much harder to kill in the mountains than doing hard workouts in a controlled atmosphere. Just my rant.

psycobill wrote:

8kclimber wrote:http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page_ID=12&cart_category_ID=2

Rob @ Mountain Athlete does a great job. The above link is to his Big Mountain 60 day workout.

This has nothing to do with the OP but does anyone else feel the phrase "harder to kill", coined by Rob Shaul I believe, to be total b.s. used in its context? Has it been documented how many have died from not doing enough hard lifting in the gym?

Not to quibble over something as trivial as semantics, but I never understood the word "kill" in this phrase to mean actual, physical death or cessation of life. I understood it to mean something like "exhaustion" or "running out of gas." That is to say, Twight's point was train hard to play hard, which is much less dramatic. But maybe I'm wrong.

Buz Groshong wrote:No training can prepare your body for altitude. It does help, however, to be in the best shape possible. Exercises that increase your breathing and lung capacity should help, but that won't happen over a short time frame (probably takes years).

I totally agree with Buz Groshong, plus AdamsKerr´s itinerary has proved to work well as an acclimatization program before attempting Cotopaxi and even Chimborazo.

AdamsKerr wrote:A couple days in Quito at 9,000ft
then climb Rucu Pichincha at 15,000
rest day and transfer to Illinizas hostel
climb Illiniza Norte(or Sur) at 16,800
rest day at Tambopaxi Lodge (or similar)
drive/hike up to Jose Rivas refuge and leave that night for Cotopaxi

P.S. the company i am in training with adds in Pasochoa at 13,000 before Ruchu. its a nice little hike but i think you would be okay just doing Rucu.

AdamsKerr wrote:Even though Wiley is correct, i seriously recommend the sugar cane alcohol drink they give you at the Tambopaxi lodge. its not much. about the same size as a shot glass that you're supposed to sip on. that shit will get you high on flavor alone.

Oh yes!... that's called "canelazo", I wish we could take it up to the summit. It'd replace the "gu" or other power gels so easily!

blazin wrote:

psycobill wrote:

8kclimber wrote:http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page_ID=12&cart_category_ID=2

Rob @ Mountain Athlete does a great job. The above link is to his Big Mountain 60 day workout.

This has nothing to do with the OP but does anyone else feel the phrase "harder to kill", coined by Rob Shaul I believe, to be total b.s. used in its context? Has it been documented how many have died from not doing enough hard lifting in the gym?

Not to quibble over something as trivial as semantics, but I never understood the word "kill" in this phrase to mean actual, physical death or cessation of life. I understood it to mean something like "exhaustion" or "running out of gas." That is to say, Twight's point was train hard to play hard, which is much less dramatic. But maybe I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure Twight meant it literally.