Boise vs Albuquerque

by **Andinistaloco** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:03 am

lcarreau wrote:And ... what the hell's wrong with Arizona ?

I wouldn't stress it too much considering he moved Albuquerque a couple hundred miles west. :wink:

Far as outdoor stuff goes Albuquerque might have an edge on what's in the immediate vicinity... but if you're willing to drive a bit, ID has the more deserted, rugged peaks. Housing's a tad cheaper in Albq, edge to Boise in education. Albuquerque's got somewhat warmer winters and the summers are probably close to the same, temperature-wise. But if crime is a deciding factor, then that would certainly point you toward Boise. Though - as someone mentioned - things have gotten better of late, Albq is still way worse in that area than Boise is. Good luck!

by **POLUKO** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:49 am

A good friend of mine is from Albuquerque and he always has a concealed .45 on him.

Always...and he lives in Durango.

by **surgent** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:44 pm

Sunny Buns wrote:Sorry to hear about the crime in Albuquerque. I guess it's politically incorrect to solve some problems - maybe new national leadership will help. I've heard similar horror stories about southern Arizona. It is a shame that our inept, immoral, criminal politicians have allowed it to happen and refuse to do ANYTHING about it - then the states try to solve the problem and the Feds sue them!! You can't make this stuff up!!

Have you actually come to southern Arizona and spent time at or near the border, or have you just "heard"?

I'm sure there are parts of Eugene that you wouldn't go to any time of the day. Same with the border. Stay away from Nogales and Sasabe, and San Luis (south of Yuma). Sections in Cochise County aren't so great. But the rest is fine. You can drive, hike, camp, sing and dance all you like. I've spent much time in the various areas with not an ounce of trouble. The Goldwater Range, Organ Pipe Monument, the Patagonias, the Mules, the Sierritas, the Huachucas in AZ, and the Sierra Juarez in SoCal. You do your homework in advance and you know where to go and where not to go. I know full well what might happen, but I use the same level of awareness when I need (occasionally) to go to downtown Phoenix.

Do people have any idea how big the border really is, and the cost to fence it? That it is not all flat, but cut by mountains (thus, creating difficulty for any such fence)? Do people know that the flow of people grew in Sothern AZ only after the flow was staunched in SoCal? That there is a Mexican National highway (Rte 2) that runs almost 200 miles right along the US-MEX border between Organ Pipe and San Luis? How about the fact that the Tohono O'odham Nation, which spans about 80 miles of the border, is patrolled by the BIA, not by AZ state patrol or the county? Have you ever heard of the Tohono O'odham Nation?

I know of people here in Phoenix who won't go near the border, not even within 30 miles of it, thinking they're going to be shot at or car-jacked.
Their perception has gone completely awry. This is a classic case of letting fear, myth and stupidity run away like a train without brakes.

Any politician who says they have a solution is full of crap. We grow pretty tired of listening to people from the northwest, northeast, north-wherever saying they have it all figured out. Our own band of buffoons can't think of anything better than SB-1070, or one great idea which would give state (public) money to arm private militia groups with no oversight as to how they train or skill level. In other words, business as usual. Thus, when things cool down, I'll head back to the border for some hikes still on my to-do list. Pinta is a definite, so is Baboquivari and Huachuca Peak. Statistically, I have a better chance of meeting grief spending a night hanging around 16th Street and Broadway here in Phoenix.

Please people, quit "hearing" things. Get off your behinds and do your own research.

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by **MoapaPk** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:12 pm

I felt far safer staying there (Tohono O'odham Nation) than staying in Boston. I mainly felt sorry for the illegals, who so often died in that corridor. I'll be back when the weather cools.

by **Sierra Ledge Rat** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:42 am

MoapaPk wrote:...than staying in Boston...

My family and I were beaten and mugged one evening in Boston several years ago by a group of 8 young men...

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by **POLUKO** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:52 pm

Have you actually come to southern Arizona and spent time at or near the border, or have you just "heard"?

Please people, quit "hearing" things. Get off your behinds and do your own research.

By heard, it is more like read. Have YOU read the previous chuck of this thread? The opinions expressed about the crime are accurate. Plus, this is about Albuquerque, not AZ, and the border is pretty far away from there.

It's is also pretty hard for someone to not have "heard" about border issues. Blame the media or reality, and add in some old fashioned paranoia. People only hear the horror stories because when they happen, and they do, that is the only aspect covered. On a day when nothing bad happens nobody hears a thing.

by **MoapaPk** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:40 pm

POLUKO wrote:By heard, it is more like read. Have YOU read the previous chuck of this thread? The opinions expressed about the crime are accurate. Plus, this is about Albuquerque, not AZ, and the border is pretty far away from there.

But he was specifically quoting Sunny Buns, who turned the conversation back to AZ with the comment:

I've heard similar horror stories about southern Arizona.

The cores of most US cities are more dangerous than most of southern AZ.

by **colinr** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:30 pm

If concerned about schools and opportunities for young people, New Mexico is not well respected. Two of my cousins left there after their teens-twenties and moved to the area I live in. BTW, their dad (an avid cyclist) spent over 20 years in western New Mexico, a few years in Tucson, AZ, considered coming back to CA, but is now moving to Greenville, S.C. (likes the job there more). Back to NM and Boise...My best friend growing up moved to northern California from Taos when he was in elementary school. More recently, he sold his home in California, purchased a larger one in Boise and is now raising a family there. He just shared some pictures of his daughter being inspired to ride her bike without training wheels for the first time after watching a race there. However, I'd say that researching data regarding specific neighborhood schools and visiting is more important than overall state statistics.

If concerned about crime, as noted, Albuquerque has a history of high crime levels, but is moving closer to average in that respect. Murder rates are high, but I'd guess that pertains mostly to gang members killing each other. Specific neighborhood can probably make a big difference. Boise has low crime rates.

I find some of the comments amusing given that crime rates in Eugene aren't that great. Are illegal immigrants and Mexican Nationals responsible for most of the crime in Eugene? Also, the city I grew up in would remind people of Boise if looking at people, yet currently has crime levels approaching Albuquerque. Meanwhile, the city I currently live in has crime rates similar to Boise, yet a mix of people that looks similar to Albuquerque. Maybe the references were more in regard to ethnicity than race, but I think the issues are more complex than can be explained by either.

My wife and I are close to family on both sides here and the weather is great, but this is a site I utilize sometimes when pondering the future:
http://www.city-data.com

I'd suspect that culture, poverty, opportunity, and economy all might have something to do with crime rates. Surely these map holds the key to figuring it all out and knowing which areas to seek out when moving! :wink:

Cheers!

by **Andinistaloco** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:51 am

Sunny Buns wrote:Sorry to hear about the crime in Albuquerque. I guess it's politically incorrect to solve some problems - maybe new national leadership will help. I've heard similar horror stories about southern Arizona.

Yeah, because when Romney gets elected, all of a sudden crime in Albuquerque will cease. :roll:

Southern AZ's nowhere near as bad as most large US cities for crime, as folks have stated. I lived in Tucson for a few years and traveled through other southern parts of the state a lot... and never had problems, although of course you do hear the horror stories. I think folks' opinions of places are irrevocably colored by their own experiences, which of course makes sense. I've been burglarized twice in Flagstaff (which must account for about 2% of the total burglaries here) and not at all in Tucson... but if you look at the statistics Tucson's the worse place for crime by far. Guess it's best to just get as much info and experience as we can and make the best educated choice possible.

by **lcarreau** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:21 am

surgent wrote:
Sunny Buns wrote:

Please people, quit "hearing" things. Get off your behinds and do your own research.

.... everybody knows that you have to research BOTH sides of the coin in order to form a valid opinion ..

And, we ALL know about "opinions," EVERYBODY HAS ONE AND THEY ALL STINK !!!

by **lcarreau** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:23 am

Sierra Ledge Rat wrote:
MoapaPk wrote:...than staying in Boston...

My family and I were beaten and mugged one evening in Boston several years ago by a group of 8 young men...

Sorry to hear that. I was mugged in Manhattan one time, and it didn't involve a coffee mug.

by **lcarreau** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:28 am

Andinistaloco wrote:
lcarreau wrote:And ... what the hell's wrong with Arizona ?

I wouldn't stress it too much considering he moved Albuquerque a couple hundred miles west.

Far as outdoor stuff goes Albuquerque might have an edge on what's in the immediate vicinity... but if you're willing to drive a bit, ID has the more deserted, rugged peaks. Housing's a tad cheaper in Albq, edge to Boise in education. Albuquerque's got somewhat warmer winters and the summers are probably close to the same, temperature-wise. But if crime is a deciding factor, then that would certainly point you toward Boise. Though - as someone mentioned - things have gotten better of late, Albq is still way worse in that area than Boise is. Good luck!

For crying out loud, I was just kidding. WHY can't a person be serious on SP anymore ???

by **lcarreau** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:08 am

B E S I D E S ... 'Alice Cooper' lives in Phoenix ..... :wink:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thW5cXC3pJ4[/youtube]

by **colinr** » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:43 pm

lcarreau wrote:
surgent wrote:
Sunny Buns wrote:

Please people, quit "hearing" things. Get off your behinds and do your own research.

.... everybody knows that you have to research BOTH sides of the coin in order to form a valid opinion ..

And, we ALL know about "opinions," EVERYBODY HAS ONE AND THEY ALL STINK !!!

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