Outdoor Industry?

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by Kahuna » Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:51 pm

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MoapaPk wrote:I'm always meeting people who work for the forest service or BLM, but rarely get outside -- the better-paying jobs are largely bureaucratic.

That's a good point. What's the point of doing apparel, tourism, conservation, fundraising, or management if you are right back on the phone or in front of the computer anyway?

Sales on the road or on floor. Interacting with perspective clients and selling stuff you use and know.

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by Fletch » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:10 am

These are all really good suggestions. My wife is generally supportive of whatever makes me happy. And my existing job is a very good one with good days and bad weeks, but who's isnt, right? I was just curious if there was a way to combine what I love to do in my free time with what I do in my have to time. Sometimes though, when those things get combined it takes the fun out of the thing you like to do...

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by mountainsandsound » Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:38 am

Hey Fletch. I'm a young guy, so I don't want to sound wise beyond my years, but I have noticed a pattern in my family and many of my friends (all happy people) when it comes to work. Either have an awesome job working in the environment you want, or have pretty good job that gives you the time off to spend in that environment. Sometimes it's a combination of the two. I teach a subject I enjoy, and get 3 months off in the summer. My brother works at a hospital doing something that is exciting for him, and after three 12 hr days he gets his 4 day weekend. My dad works at sea, gets a month off for every month worked. We all like our jobs, but they don't define us as much as what we do in our time off. With a marketing/sales background it might be a bit more challenging, but I think you could find something to fit the mold.

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by Damien Gildea » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:44 am

Fletch wrote: Sometimes though, when those things get combined it takes the fun out of the thing you like to do...

Yep. Makin a career out of your passion or hobby can kill the joy for sure. Once you bring money and profit into it, as needs be done with all business (and all work is business nowadays) then jobs can tend to flatten out into the same thing. ie. sell yourself, keep costs down, get more clients, don't get fired, etc etc.

Staying in a sucky but high paying desk job and using the cash to expedite your weekend adventures is fine, so long as you do get out on those adventures and don't spend your free time needing to recover from the work week, or shopping at Ikea. The more demanding your job, the more you actually need to work at prioritising and making happen the fun stuff you're slaving away to pay for in the first place. As we get older it's easier to slack off.

The one thing that's really different now from 20 years ago, when I started climbing, is that a lot more people work on contracts, rather than permanent full-time, stay-til-you-die type jobs with only two weeks off a year. This is more insecure for your income and family, but can give you more free time, and time in blocks to do stuff you otherwise couldn't. Engineers, doctors, IT people are benefitting from this particularly well (Radson, bastard!). So if you're good at your white-collar desk job, look down the track to see if you can do it in a contract or consulting form, rather than full-time. That type of thing really needs to be set up in advance, maybe years in advance, often surreptitiously, by making and maintaining certain contacts, specialising in things others hate, doing courses etc. 'Create a market for yourself', as Arnold Schwarzenegger said (seriously).

But whatever you do, however you do it, if your wife is on your side with it (and you on hers for her stuff) it will come down to foreseeing the compromises, putting up with them if they still (mostly) lead to what you want, and not being afraid to change if they don't.
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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by mattcav » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:54 pm


This is a good website for outdoor retail jobs. Many will be management or higher. I also recommend checking individual company sites (Keen, Black Diamond, Prana, TNF, whatever) as they are always posting new ones. Good luck!

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by CClaude » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:52 am

Damien gives some good advise.

Also think about jobs that let you live where you want and gives you the time you want. If you are doing the job you want, but need to do it 7 days a week to keep you family feed, it may be cool to begin with, but after a while it will get old.

If you are working for an outdoors company but living 3-4 hrs away from what you like, does it help you any?

If you can find a job in a company you can respect, is near what you like to do, and gives you the time off to do what you want to do, then you are kgolden ( and i am very thankful for my employer, since they fit that bill)

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by mconnell » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:51 pm

After bailing from the computer industry, I worked retail for a couple of years. Got to work and sell to great people, good deals on gear, no money to do much of anything. I opted to do something that paid better ( a little better, anyway) and gives me a lot of time off. (I'm a teacher and get about 10 weeks a year off.)

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by desainme » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:13 pm

One of the guys from my high school class was the chief designer for North Face from 1970- 89, but I believe he then started his own company.

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by lcarreau » Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:42 am

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by Sunny Buns » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:02 am

Keep your day job. Do the best you can at work. Then on the weekend go wild if you want. :D

The lord did not curse man to earn his food by the sweat of his brow because he thought it would be fun for man - he did it as punishment. :cry: But you have won the lottery and landed a nice "white collar" job. :) Beats many of the alternatives.

Maybe in a couple of years things will look better, but right now if you have a good job, I'd keep it. Be thankful for each dollar you can save :mrgreen: while you can - you have a family to provide for. If you want to look for a dream job in your spare time, at home (not at work), nothing wrong with that - maybe you will find it and I hope you do.

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by simonov » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:29 pm

You should go to one or more industry trade shows and sniff around. In general, trade shows are not such a great place to hand out resumes, but if the booth staff aren't too busy you can chat with them and get a lot of questions answered. Then after the show you can follow up by phone or mail. You can get a good idea of who is who in the industry, etc.

Just be respectful and never forget those companies are spending lots of money to be at those shows to sell stuff, not to waste time with unsolicited jobseekers. Hit them up when traffic is slow, not when they are busy.

It looks like the main outdoor industry show is Outdoor Retailer.

The biggest show in my own industry is the SHOT Show, which is mostly firearms and hunting focused, but more than half the exhibitors are part of what I would call the general "outdoor industry."
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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by Sunny Buns » Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:09 am

Most likely by the time you are 50 you will want to get away from work a WHOLE lot more than you do now, because if you think you're bored as a youngun', just wait until you've sat at that desk for 30 years! You can't even dream of the horror. Over my career I've known many people who declared "I'm going to retire at age 55". NOT ONE of them did it EXCEPT the ones that landed a GOVERNMENT JOB. Two worked for the state department of fish and game. And another one worked as a state park ranger. Everyone else is working like dogs, watching the politicians say they are leaches for hoping to collect SS that they paid into their whole lives, and wondering how they'll survive with a decimated 401K account and no pension (no longer an option for most private sector employees) when they get laid off and replaced by a youngun' for half their pay. How's that for something to look forward to?! :evil:

Although I think many government jobs should not exist at all :roll: , and I think many goobermint employees have FAR too generous benefit and pay packages that are damaging the economy of the US; if they are going to keep sticking it to the tax payers to pay for all that waste, if YOU can get one of those jobs it could have it's rewards.

Something for you to think about. :idea:

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

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Re: Outdoor Industry?

by Sunny Buns » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:10 am




AND SEND A RESUME!!!!!!!!!! :shock:


EDIT: The above were my first thoughts, but on second thought they were made a tad hastily. It doesn't hurt to talk to another employer about a job, but before quitting a good job with good pay, be REAL sure that the job you are considering IS IN FACT also a good job that pays enough for you to provide for your family. Also if you are young, you don't want to be bouncing around a lot early in your career. Stay somewhere at least 5 years. If your current job offers a defined benefit pension, realize that few jobs offer that now-days, and in 30 years you will be very happy for that guaranteed income during retirement (but do save separately from that on your own in case the pension goes tits-up as has happened to many other pensions).


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