NPS vs. BLM

by **MoapaPk** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:49 pm

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011 ... r-judgment

by **colinr** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:27 pm

MoapaPk wrote:http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-25/features/ct-talk-brotman-yosemite-0725-20110725_1_park-deaths-grand-canyon-poor-judgment

Well, the author seems to indicate many incidents involving young and middle aged adults inexperienced, goofing around, ignoring safety warnings, ill prepared, ill informed, or all of the above. It's fitting that the article mentions church groups and perceived spiritual protection with today being 12/21/12. Now that the world hasn't ended, we can refocus on national parks as a source to inspire fear again.

by **Gafoto** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:34 am

mrchad9 wrote:Unless I saw the data I wouldn't believe it. The NPS and its staff are not exactly purveyors of wisdom.

They've been telling me to take a water filter into the Sierra for years... I still haven't done it and have yet to find any reason why I should do so.

Because some of the lake are filthy? Sure, it's mostly clean but they tell people to use filters because some of the lakes aren't safe to drink from unfiltered. On the way up Bishop Pass I wouldn't drink from any lake in that drainage without a filter, too much pack stock.

by **Diggler** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:48 am

MoapaPk wrote:There is a great sign near Maroon Bells, shows a guy with crampons and ice tools climbing rock.

It's actually a chick.

Yes, one can climb rock with crampons and tools.

Having seen or heard of numerous examples of people attempting to climb things beyond their ability level (& endangering themselves or others in the process), esp. mountains such as the Bells (which are RIGHT THERE from the parking lot), I don't necessarily see a problem with a given management agency trying to dissuade (or if nothing else inform) ambitious yet ignorant individuals. As long as restrictions aren't imposed, permits required, etc., signs like that don't bother me too much...

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by **MoapaPk** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:03 pm

Diggler wrote:
MoapaPk wrote:There is a great sign near Maroon Bells, shows a guy with crampons and ice tools climbing rock.

Yes, one can climb rock with crampons and tools.

Yes, the sign helps people select representative gear to climb Maroon Bells.

by **simonov** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:00 am

Here are some officially sanctioned activities on BLM land not too far from here:

More BLM fun: Not officially sanctioned, but legal!

by **Scott** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:41 am

Sign at Volcán Arenal, Costa Rica:

The volcano is active, but it's the zombies that will get you.

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by **Mark Doiron** » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:11 pm

Big Bend National Park ...

Surely that last line about removal of the sign was put there because some idiot removed the previous one, wouldn't you think?

by **Bob Burd** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:18 am

simonov wrote:Here are some officially sanctioned activities on BLM land not too far from here:

A couple of years ago they had an off-road race on BLM land near Barstow, CA. One of the racers lost control and rolled into the stands, killing eight.

Race promoter Mojave Desert Racing had a BLM permit for the event which required racers to travel 15 mph or less when they were within 50 feet of fans, and allowed no more than 300 spectators for the event.

50,000 people attended the race, some standing within 4ft of trucks going 100mph.

The BLM was found to be at fault for not properly supervising the promoter. :shock:

C'mon people, it's BLM, not NPS!

by **simonov** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:45 am

Bob Burd wrote:The BLM was found to be at fault for not properly supervising the promoter.

C'mon people, it's BLM, not NPS!

BLM needs better lawyers.

The SCTA land speed trials, pictured above, have been happening at Muroc (now Edwards Air Force Base) and El Mirage since the 1930s. They have it down, pat. There are no spectators within maybe 50 yards of the course (except at the start, where most cars have to be pushed, they are geared so high). No one gets hurt except sometimes a driver. Watched a lakester barrel roll into the traps at 180 MPH last October. This was the helicopter evacuation of the driver:

by **Recone** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:07 am

The Department of Conservation here in New Zealand has some pretty funny signs up as well.

Big wave?

Oh that one has more detail

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by **simonov** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:02 pm

butitsadryheat wrote:On the other hand, Darwin awards were handed out at that race to those who stood so close.

I read about that race when the crash happened. The dumbassery was acute and widespread.

by **Bob Burd** » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:43 pm

Here's your typical NPS hiking map:

Here's your typical BLM hiking map:

And that little bit of trail they show from the trailhead doesn't even exist. I love BLM.

by **MoapaPk** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:07 am

Though it is much easier to camp on BLM-controlled areas (usually). NPS -- not so much. More information often comes with more rules and more control. If they have the money to produce fancy maps showing you what you can do, they often have a lot of employees who have lots of free time to make up proscriptive, nonsensical rules.

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