Chris Simpson wrote:Is the original method for weight loss to promote doing nothing physical at all?? Since climbing / hiking / mountaineering is a physical activity, calories, good fats and carbs are your best friend. Sugars = your glycogen = your muscle fuel. 2 : 1 carbs to protein ration is best for what most well seasoned athletes should take in. Eliminating sugars, rice and fats + DINNER!!!???? = a low performing body while doing anything other than thinking!

Remember the context - Weight loss

Weight loss - Use the original method for the maximum amount of time your body is out of commission. Great way to ruin the metabolism and lose muscle.

My experience is that most nutritionists that I've met are fatter than me......go figure.

Ben Beckerich wrote:For all the research on the topic, we don't seem to have a fucking clue how this shit works. The only constant seems to be - eat less, exercise more. Believe anything else you want, but don't expect anyone else to buy it.

p.s. The OP suggests eating fruit to lose weight. FYI If someone is really trying to lose weight, fruits are mostly natural sugars, simple carbs that the body will convert to and store as fat if there's no current calorie defecit. Yes, fresh fruit typically comes as a source of fiber and is better than candy, cookies or potato chips but are still simple carbs.

Sweet jesus. All of you just stop posting. You are just spouting misinformation.

RickF wrote:

Ben Beckerich wrote:For all the research on the topic, we don't seem to have a fucking clue how this shit works. The only constant seems to be - eat less, exercise more. Believe anything else you want, but don't expect anyone else to buy it.

p.s. The OP suggests eating fruit to lose weight. FYI If someone is really trying to lose weight, fruits are mostly natural sugars, simple carbs that the body will convert to and store as fat if there's no current calorie defecit. Yes, fresh fruit typically comes as a source of fiber and is better than candy, cookies or potato chips but are still simple carbs.

This isn't correct. Fruit has a much lower glycemic index than most simple carbs. In fact, most endurance athletes simply can't get enough glycogen stores from fruit alone so they substitute with brown rice, sweet potatoes, and other healthier complex carbs. At least this is what I've read from people with sports nutrition degrees. Of course there are those on here who will disagree. Even "experts" can't agree. So who do you believe? YOUR BODY.....period.

Ze wrote:Sweet jesus. All of you just stop posting. You are just spouting misinformation.

All hail Ze! All hail Ze! Knower of all-things nutrition and performance. All hail Ze!

WyomingSummits wrote:

RickF wrote:

Ben Beckerich wrote:For all the research on the topic, we don't seem to have a fucking clue how this shit works. The only constant seems to be - eat less, exercise more. Believe anything else you want, but don't expect anyone else to buy it.

p.s. The OP suggests eating fruit to lose weight. FYI If someone is really trying to lose weight, fruits are mostly natural sugars, simple carbs that the body will convert to and store as fat if there's no current calorie defecit. Yes, fresh fruit typically comes as a source of fiber and is better than candy, cookies or potato chips but are still simple carbs.

This isn't correct. Fruit has a much lower glycemic index than most simple carbs. In fact, most endurance athletes simply can't get enough glycogen stores from fruit alone so they substitute with brown rice, sweet potatoes, and other healthier complex carbs. At least this is what I've read from people with sports nutrition degrees. Of course there are those on here who will disagree. Even "experts" can't agree. So who do you believe? YOUR BODY.....period.

Wyoming, good point about the glycemic index. I did concede that fruit is nutritionally better than candy, etc. The reason I pointed out that most fruits have high carb contents is becuase the thread started out with the topic of "losing weight" and the OP suggested eating fruit as a means to lose weight. The reference to endurance athletes may not be all that relavant becuase endurance athletes, especially the ones concerned about glycogen stores, probably aren't trying to lose weight. I'm not bashing fruit. Depending on who/what you believe, some fruit is generally believed to be part of a "balanced" diet. But I've known overweight people who think that if they just eat lots of fruit they'll lose weight. If someone eats lots of high-calorie fruit like apples, bananas and peaches, without exercising enough to use the calories consumed, they're not gonna lose weight.

Fact, opinion, or personal experience, keep posting, some of us are losing weight by following this thread and being more conscious of what we eat today.

Catamount wrote:So at this point I've transitioned from weight loss to maintenance of weight loss and am doing pretty well so far. I bottomed out at about 178 a few weeks ago and am about 181 now (the same as in my profile photo from June 2). Altogether that is about a 30 pound total loss since November and is as slim as I want to be. Have had to buy some new clothes but am just wearing the rest a little baggy until I need to replace them.

No longer working overnights and therefore really can't skip meals like I had been. So I have cut way back on portion size and am limiting anything with corn syrup. No longer the "clean up crew" when my kids don't finish their meals either. Hope to get back in the groove of regular cardio in a couple of weeks when I finish the family vacation cycle I am on right now.

I'm jealous!
I think we were around the same area in lbs. to begin- I was at about 203 on Jan.2- and I began doing all the right things in earnest, and got down to about
189. Then, because I became very busy, (I'm a house painter in the summer), and therefore, tired and lazy(tipping back a couple of beers after work, rather
than hopping on the bike, etc.), I've plateaued and actually gained a little, at about 192. Disappointing. But, I hope to ramp up the cardio here soon, and get back at the weight loss. I'd like to get down to 185, and see how that feels, and maybe a little more, like around 180ish. .

So, I'm jealous, Catamount! But, congrats on dropping all that weight. And on your summiting of Mt. Hood! I've been too busy too get out, unfortunately. .

bird wrote:

Ze wrote:Sweet jesus. All of you just stop posting. You are just spouting misinformation.

All hail Ze! All hail Ze! Knower of all-things nutrition and performance. All hail Ze!

It's really not that outrageous. Nothing I'm saying requires a farking phd in nutrition, just a good amount of reading real factual sources on the topic. I would gladly bow to those who know more if they showed up.

At least you didn't interject any CrossShit type advice in here!

after reading Ze's posts I have to agree with him. calorie in versus out wins out when placed in contyext of the various metobolic processes.

Now if you really want to seriously loose weight, do what I did, break you neck in multiple place, yet avoid becoming a para/quadraplagic. In the course of 3 weekss (including surgery) I went from 149lbs (at 5'11" and 5% body fat) to 140lbs and had a really hard time keeping the weight on over the next 1.75mos. Ok, it did completely ruin my strength because of the neuromuscular deficits

CClaude wrote:Now if you really want to seriously loose weight, do what I did... Ok, it did completely ruin my strength because of the neuromuscular deficits

Yup, being sick or injured can certainly do it. I'm just starting to recover my strength after getting food poisoning that put me in the hospital (entirely my fault; totally ignored some basic food safety protocols -- so dumb), during which I (apparently) aspirated some of my own vomit, which ended up giving me pneumonia. Delightful. In addition to just generally feeling crappy, antibiotics totally kill my appetite, so, other than hydration and any powdered nutrition I could tolerate, even very watered-down, I essentially didn't eat for about two weeks. Driving your body into starvation mode is just about the worst thing you can do to your metabolism. So, more than two weeks and 23lbs later, I still appear to have a lot of the fat I went in with, but a lot less muscle -- and an annoying, little dry cough. Lovely.

Went in strong, came out weak as a kitten. Worst. Diet. Ever.

[edited for whining]

I didn't interject any crossShit type advice because the great and all-knowing Ze commanded "All of you just stop posting". All Hail Ze. Oops I should not have posted this because of your command...

Ze wrote:

bird wrote:

Ze wrote:Sweet jesus. All of you just stop posting. You are just spouting misinformation.

All hail Ze! All hail Ze! Knower of all-things nutrition and performance. All hail Ze!

It's really not that outrageous. Nothing I'm saying requires a farking phd in nutrition, just a good amount of reading real factual sources on the topic. I would gladly bow to those who know more if they showed up.

At least you didn't interject any CrossShit type advice in here!

When you complete the Bear Canyon trail in just a little over the 2 hr mark you know you are doing something right. Ze' 2:03 - average person - 5+ hrs. Nutrition and performance.

Chris Simpson wrote:When you complete the Bear Canyon trail in just a little over the 2 hr mark you know you are doing something right. Ze' 2:03 - average person - 5+ hrs. Nutrition and performance.

Jim Bridwell chain smoked and could blow people away in the high mountains. I know some near world class triathletes who eat like crap and still win. Posting a great time on a trail run could be nothing more than descent training combined with world class natural proclivity to a sport. Not every running back who ate and trained like Barry Sanders can PRODUCE like Barry Sanders. My point is just because he posts a good time doesn't mean his method works for everyone.....maybe it's just natural ability.