Rick, This is sort of old news.
The NPS got gentle Ben and his possie to pull those climbs in the Grotto.
(see the old thread about the mud)
I supported them 100% in their actions.
What was done to the rock, plants and trees was so far over the line was unbelievable.
I would quit climbing completely if that is how climbing crags are developed.
But after speaking with "the man" he is happy, for now.
I don't know of any S-it being directed at them by climbers. - at all.
and I do check the net - all of it I can find.
So if I get out there this Sunday I will look around and ask folks just what they think.
I would wager no one cares.
It's not like they closed down Astro Man or anything. These climbs that gentle Ben made were worthless, generic face climbs. IMHO the ones down the way, that didn't require "mass cleaning" are much better.
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The whole idea of closing down a place, anyplace, is troubling.
Christmas Tree Pass is a good example.
So they don't wish it to become another Josh.
I ask who gave THEM the power to decide, without any reason, just what is the best use of the land they manage?
We give them that power and if we don't like what they are doing WE need to do something about it.
It is time for all of us climbers to support political people who would rein in the power of un elected land managers.
The land managers only follow the directives of the elected officials, its called policy and policy is not made by the "servants" it's made by the masters.
(our elected officials)
So I know this is not going to go over to well at SP but I will say this......
enuf is enuf, we can't make the whole world a pure wilderness, it's not and will never be.. Any pinko, dem, enviro zellot who thinks otherwise should be Voted out of office ASAP.
They have been in power long enuf, IMHO.
All of the folks in power need to go, they have failed to do a good job, it's time for a big change.
Rant over.
GK