asmrz wrote:I gave you at least three examples of Sierra routes that are rated class 3 in in the High Sierra Guide by Secor. Those that I listed have moves much harder than class 3 and none of them can be by-passed. They are not the only ones, but we could debate this for ever. What have I not responded to? Please ask the question some other way and I will try to respond. I really don't understand what you are asking. You can PM me if you want to explain this more...
tbaranski wrote that instead of giving examples of class 3 routes with class five elements you give us examples of The guide book to High Sierra ratings with which you disagree. And apparently based on your feedback the summitpost rating of one route was changed from class 4 to class 5.2-5.6.
asmrz wrote:BTW Simkin, this is what Steve Larson, a very experienced climber and mountaineer says on the Summitpost page you mentioned, about the North Pal route in question
"On the right (west) side of the notch there is a steep wall with a crack/chimney system. Opinions differ on the difficulty of this section. Estimates range from Class 4 (old school) to 5.6 (grade inflation?). One thing is for sure, it will feel harder in mountaineering boots, and even harder if wet. Plan accordingly."
In a wonderful , even handed language, Steve tells you exactly what to expect.
If you read The guide book to High Sierra (any edition), the route is rated class 4.
Go do it and report on it for us. You'll find fifth class terrain on that section of the route. You don't need to trust me on this...
Yes, but the official summitpost rating of the route is 5.2-5.6, probably based on your feedback. However from the description which you quote I don't believe it can be 5.6 since "it will feel harder in mountaineering boots" that is it is doable in mountaineering boots. I can't think of any 5.6 route doable in snowboots. 5.1 may be, but not 5.6.
Finally, I was doing nothing more with regard to summitpost rating what you did with The guide book to High Sierra ratings: questioned them. So why your comments should be heeded and my ignored? Because you belong to climber master race?