Re: Mixed routes in the Sierra
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:47 am
The Chief wrote:
**** ALOIS! Respect goes both ways! You have a beef with anyone (ME) that uses your precious pic's or any beta, w/o your prior permission, please give them the courtesy of a PM first prior to showing your, what ever on the thread.... what a concept! But, that as well is expected.
Gotta love it, I tell ya!
Just for the record, Alois asked me for permission to use a photo, just like other SPers do on occasion, and as some filmmakers, magazine authors, and photojournalists have done on this site and others with my photos. Just because you're not making professional publications with the photos doesn't mean you shouldn't attempt to be professional about using the material. And I appreciate the courtesy.
As for this whole 'recon climb' and adventuring. Sure, I love to occasionally go out and explore and I might pick appealing lines from maps & photos, research them, and try them out. This is much easier when living in a place like, say, Salt Lake City or Bishop, but otherwise it is a pretty large effort if you don't already know about the conditions or are limited in your time to get out or wait for conditions. And sometimes I just want to get out and climb on something more certain - perhaps as practice for those real 'adventure' routes since they involve so much more risk and uncertainty. If I don't want the adventure spoiled, then I don't look it up on SP or ask about it - it's that easy. I don't understand people who spend time posting on this site and then complain about people who 'give too much away'. The less you inform others about your experience, the more you are just bragging. And the more adventure you want in a 'developed' range, the less you should consult others!
IMO, saying that everyone should be held to the standard of 'go out, see for yourself, and just do it' all the time is an elitist attitude of locals and really good climbers who feel that just because they can and want to, everyone else should as well.