Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:35 pm
The National Geographic NPS maps are fantastic for this sort of thing. And you can buy them online.
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The National Geographic NPS maps are fantastic for this sort of thing. And you can buy them online.
fku wrote:thanks for the replies. Looks like I'll do it the right way- go with a general plan, talk to a ranger and figure it out!!!
fku wrote:From what i have heard there is a pretty good chance that only the south rim access will be available in mid december. Is that usually the case?
Hopefully I will not have to deal with campgrounds and outhouses although I realize I will be dealing with national park regul#!%ons.
I see those maps online, but I really like a paper map to lay out on the floor.
cp0915 wrote:Hopefully I will not have to deal with campgrounds and outhouses although I realize I will be dealing with national park regul#!%ons.
Assuming you're looking at access via the South Rim, there are loads of opportunities that won't require exposure to campgrounds and outhouses. Some of the lesser used trails are rugged, wild and wonderful...and without a single outhouse or campground! And Marble Canyon (eastern GC) is splendid (and with fewer regulations as well, since much (all?) of it is outside the park boundary).
Day Hiker wrote:cp0915 wrote:Hopefully I will not have to deal with campgrounds and outhouses although I realize I will be dealing with national park regul#!%ons.
Assuming you're looking at access via the South Rim, there are loads of opportunities that won't require exposure to campgrounds and outhouses. Some of the lesser used trails are rugged, wild and wonderful...and without a single outhouse or campground! And Marble Canyon (eastern GC) is splendid (and with fewer regulations as well, since much (all?) of it is outside the park boundary).
Marble Canyon is all outside the National Park, but only above the rim. In Marble Canyon, below the canyon rim, the National Park extends all the way north to the Paria River. On the east side, Navajo land meets Park land at the rim. Above the rim on the west, it's National Forest and other Anarchy Land, except north of Navajo Bridge, where it's Glen Canyon NRA.
cp0915 wrote:Day Hiker wrote:Marble Canyon is all outside the National Park, but only above the rim. In Marble Canyon, below the canyon rim, the National Park extends all the way north to the Paria River. On the east side, Navajo land meets Park land at the rim. Above the rim on the west, it's National Forest and other Anarchy Land, except north of Navajo Bridge, where it's Glen Canyon NRA.
There you have it. So you can still expect plenty of red tape...
Or, you can say screw the park and permits and go in on the North Side, weather permitting, hike off Sowats Point to Kanab Creek via Jumpup Canyon ( great narrows) and enter/ exit either by Sheep Springs or Kwangut Canyon (Sp??) both very pretty and Sheep Springs has some nice camping with a good bit of water when I was there. Not sure as to access roads closed or open but I think a couple of ways to get there.
Only need a permit if you get below Showerbath Spring towards the Colorado and camp, that is the park.
From what i have heard there is a pretty good chance that only the south rim access will be available in mid december. Is that usually the case?
True, although there are some spectacular primitive campsites easily accessed with a bit of rope and a harness.