Re: Do you run?
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:07 amSilvia Mazzani wrote:Running is useful...but it's so boring!
Well, NOT if you have your ipod cranked up !
Well, NOT if you have your ipod cranked up !
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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:07 amWell, NOT if you have your ipod cranked up !
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:44 pmI run some, usually as part of crossfit/mtnathlete.com workouts. I rarely go more than 3 miles at a time. This type of training is great for general fitness, and then I bump it up with step-ups (on to bench/box), stairsteppers etc as a big climb approaches. I'm in the flatlands like you, so I've found I'm ready to go for most days out. Check out http://www.crossfitmetropolis.com/, the owner is a climber and good guy.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:26 pmI ran over 33 miles last week and a 5 k on Sunday. Half Marathon coming up. I need to stay in shape or the ride is over for me. I went skiing at Jackson Hole recently and put in full days without soreness.
It does get boring. But the NYC Marathon in 2011 was exciting.
from my Running Journal....
. I’d remembered mile 2.1 into the Marathon. We’d run across the 2 miles of the lower level of the Verranzano Bridge. Open at the sides but like a concrete tunnel. The sounds of people talking and shoes slapping the concrete. The fading sounds of Sinatra singing New York, New York in the distance. We’d come out into the sunlight and a short distance running across some concrete lane markers. One guy had struck his foot on a curb and probably his Marathon was over.
Soon, we’d run under an overpass and there were all these people cheering, lining it above us. There were thousands of people cheering us on and the noise after the Bridge was deafening. It had come to me, at that moment, this was really the New York Marathon and all the training I’d done, had gotten me to that point.
It does get boring. But the NYC Marathon in 2011 was exciting.
from my Running Journal....
. I’d remembered mile 2.1 into the Marathon. We’d run across the 2 miles of the lower level of the Verranzano Bridge. Open at the sides but like a concrete tunnel. The sounds of people talking and shoes slapping the concrete. The fading sounds of Sinatra singing New York, New York in the distance. We’d come out into the sunlight and a short distance running across some concrete lane markers. One guy had struck his foot on a curb and probably his Marathon was over.
Soon, we’d run under an overpass and there were all these people cheering, lining it above us. There were thousands of people cheering us on and the noise after the Bridge was deafening. It had come to me, at that moment, this was really the New York Marathon and all the training I’d done, had gotten me to that point.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:51 pmSilvia Mazzani wrote:Running is useful...but it's so boring!
You should try trail running. (:
I used to run for aerobic conditioning. The feeling you get during and after a long run becomes addictive. Not to mention the feeling that you are so light on your feet.
I was running 10 miles a day and tried to get into marathons, but I always "hit the wall" after about 15 miles. And I was so-o-o-o bored...
Then I switched to trail running. It was really fun and exciting. Very quickly I was routinely running 20 miles a day and running ultra-marathons every weekend.
Trail running makes you strong as hell.
(I won't tell you the part about blowing out my knee at mile 25 of an ultra, running the last 5 miles without a meniscus, and never being able to run again..........)
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:00 pmSierra Ledge Rat wrote:Silvia Mazzani wrote:Running is useful...but it's so boring!
You should try trail running. (:
I used to run for aerobic conditioning. The feeling you get during and after a long run becomes addictive. Not to mention the feeling that you are so light on your feet.
I was running 10 miles a day and tried to get into marathons, but I always "hit the wall" after about 15 miles. And I was so-o-o-o bored...
Then I switched to trail running. It was really fun and exciting. Very quickly I was routinely running 20 miles a day and running ultra-marathons every weekend.
Trail running makes you strong as hell.
(I won't tell you the part about blowing out my knee at mile 25 of an ultra, running the last 5 miles without a meniscus, and never being able to run again..........)
How did the meniscus tear affect your ability to haul heavy loads long distances over steep terrain? I have a friend who just had his second meniscus surgery so i'm trying to see what his pain might be like so I can sympathize a bit.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:46 pm"First, do no harm."
Not all body types are meant to be runners. Running can be very damaging to joints. Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
When I still played soccer, I would run to build my cardio / endurance because I felt like I had to. But Achilles tendonitis and other running-related issues put the kibosh on that. I was built to pull plows in Bavaria, not run the 50 yard dash.
Recognize and appreciate your body type and do what's best for the long-term. Fast walks with the dogs, weight and core training and yoga, combined with hitting a peak every weekend, seem to work just fine for me - and my joints still work, to boot.
Is cycling an option?
Not all body types are meant to be runners. Running can be very damaging to joints. Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
When I still played soccer, I would run to build my cardio / endurance because I felt like I had to. But Achilles tendonitis and other running-related issues put the kibosh on that. I was built to pull plows in Bavaria, not run the 50 yard dash.
Recognize and appreciate your body type and do what's best for the long-term. Fast walks with the dogs, weight and core training and yoga, combined with hitting a peak every weekend, seem to work just fine for me - and my joints still work, to boot.
Is cycling an option?
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:28 amSarah Simon wrote:
Not all body types are meant to be runners ... ... Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:08 amSarah Simon wrote:"First, do no harm."
Not all body types are meant to be runners. Running can be very damaging to joints. Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
When I still played soccer, I would run to build my cardio / endurance because I felt like I had to. But Achilles tendonitis and other running-related issues put the kibosh on that. I was built to pull plows in Bavaria, not run the 50 yard dash.
Recognize and appreciate your body type and do what's best for the long-term. Fast walks with the dogs, weight and core training and yoga, combined with hitting a peak every weekend, seem to work just fine for me - and my joints still work, to boot.
Is cycling an option?
I do a lot of cycling. But it doesn't have the effect that repetitive impact has. From above the knee to the skin on the soles of my feet, I'm harder and denser since I've taken up running just over 4 years ago.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:28 pmSarah Simon wrote:Not all body types are meant to be runners. Running can be very damaging to joints. Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
You got that right. I spent a lot of time with the ultra trail running crowd, and saw a lot of people (like me) drop like flies due to injuries. Some people can just run and run and run for decades without injuries, and some of us.....
I never had me knee repaired. I had 2 shoulder operations, and do not want to go under the knife again. I have a lot of trouble walking downhill. But recently I have been doing some backpacking trips with a 45 pound pack over some rought terrain without any trouble. Last year I went climbing in the Wadi Rum of Jordan, and the hiking in the sand was MURDER on my bad knee.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:16 pmI run. My regime is 3-4 runs per week: Easy Monday, Speed/Tempo Wednesday, Easy Thursday, Long Saturday. Easy days are 3-8 miles and long days go up to 22 miles. I find the monotony similar to slogging up the infinite snow slope. Marathons are mostly mental.
I supplement my running with weight training 2-3 days per week. Each session is full body with a partiucular focus on multi joint exercises.
I have swum (sp?) when injured but found that swimming doesn't prepare my skeletal structure and connective tissue for the impact loads associated with climbing and mountaineering.
Of course, if I can go hike or climb, the "workout" for the day gets ditched.
I supplement my running with weight training 2-3 days per week. Each session is full body with a partiucular focus on multi joint exercises.
I have swum (sp?) when injured but found that swimming doesn't prepare my skeletal structure and connective tissue for the impact loads associated with climbing and mountaineering.
Of course, if I can go hike or climb, the "workout" for the day gets ditched.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:56 pmSarah Simon wrote:"First, do no harm."
Not all body types are meant to be runners. Running can be very damaging to joints. Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
When I still played soccer, I would run to build my cardio / endurance because I felt like I had to. But Achilles tendonitis and other running-related issues put the kibosh on that. I was built to pull plows in Bavaria, not run the 50 yard dash.
Recognize and appreciate your body type and do what's best for the long-term. Fast walks with the dogs, weight and core training and yoga, combined with hitting a peak every weekend, seem to work just fine for me - and my joints still work, to boot.
Is cycling an option?
Cycling does great things for me. A lot of training manuals only mention it as "cross training" on a rest day, but I see a great benefit from it, especially on hilly terrain.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:38 pmlcarreau wrote:Sarah Simon wrote:
Not all body types are meant to be runners ... ... Sure, running is great for some people...but not for others.
But he would win if he did.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:03 pmSilvia Mazzani wrote:Running is useful...but it's so boring!
I've been running for 30+ years. Dropped back a little last year due to injury, but for most of that time have run 5-8 miles 5 days a week, with a long (10-20 mi) added in on weekends if I'm training for a race. Although I'm comfortable running alone, I've found it's useful to find friends to run with on a regular basis. They'll encourage you to get out and run, and you'll find yourself looking forward to getting away from your desk or household chores or whatever and spending an hour with your friends on the run.
Also, note that running on flat ground doesn't train you for running (or hiking) on hills. If you throw in some hilly terrain you'll be much better prepared for hiking in the mountains, and you'll also crush people who haven't trained on hills when running a hilly road race.
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:16 pmAlso, note that running on flat ground doesn't train you for running (or hiking) on hills. If you throw in some hilly terrain you'll be much better prepared for hiking in the mountains, and you'll also crush people who haven't trained on hills when running a hilly road race.[/quote]
Careful generalizing: I routinely run on relatively flat courses with smaller hills, although I run faster and longer than most when I train. Depending on your intensity of training, training on relatively flat terrain can certainly help with hiking in the mountains or running hilly road races. With that being said you are at a disadvantage compared to others that train at altitude or run hills.
It is important to bear in mind that it may be risky jumping into hill training before you establish a comfortable distance base, because if you don't, you may be setting yourself up for a preventable injury. Please keep this in mind if you are inexperienced and contemplating running on hills.
Woodie
Careful generalizing: I routinely run on relatively flat courses with smaller hills, although I run faster and longer than most when I train. Depending on your intensity of training, training on relatively flat terrain can certainly help with hiking in the mountains or running hilly road races. With that being said you are at a disadvantage compared to others that train at altitude or run hills.
It is important to bear in mind that it may be risky jumping into hill training before you establish a comfortable distance base, because if you don't, you may be setting yourself up for a preventable injury. Please keep this in mind if you are inexperienced and contemplating running on hills.
Woodie
Re: Do you run?
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:45 amWoodie Hopper wrote:Also, note that running on flat ground doesn't train you for running (or hiking) on hills. If you throw in some hilly terrain you'll be much better prepared for hiking in the mountains, and you'll also crush people who haven't trained on hills when running a hilly road race.
Careful generalizing: I routinely run on relatively flat courses with smaller hills, although I run faster and longer than most when I train. Depending on your intensity of training, training on relatively flat terrain can certainly help with hiking in the mountains or running hilly road races. With that being said you are at a disadvantage compared to others that train at altitude or run hills.
It is important to bear in mind that it may be risky jumping into hill training before you establish a comfortable distance base, because if you don't, you may be setting yourself up for a preventable injury. Please keep this in mind if you are inexperienced and contemplating running on hills.
Woodie[/quote]
You are right - of course any good aerobic training, including running on flat ground, is better than not training for climbing. I should have said that running hills (in my experience) is better training for mountain climbing than running on flat ground. And I do agree (as would most running coaches) that you should have a good running base before starting hills, speed work, etc. - something like 25 miles a week minimum sounds about right.