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Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:17 pm
by colinr

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:24 am
by chugach mtn boy
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Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:34 am
by colinr
^^^^Thanks, I was having trouble displaying that more detailed map earlier.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_j-5GPu0bI[/youtube]

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Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:37 pm
by WyomingSummits
Grizzlies are dramatically expanding their territories in WY. They have been showing up further south and east than ever. One showed up outside of Lander last year...much further south than expected.

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:04 pm
by Bob Sihler
It would be nice to see a restoration, but I doubt you will see it in places like CO and CA. Too many people. People have a hard enough time accepting living with grizzlies in the sparsely populated states. And in some of the Mountain States, you would run across a hostile political climate.

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:36 pm
by colinr
Bob Sihler wrote:... in some of the states, you would run across a hostile political climate.



Doesn't matter! The grand visions and far reaching powers of the great dictators will bring grizzlies to my doorstep before 2020! I have no doubt that they will leave my family unarmed to face certain death!

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Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:47 pm
by colinr
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^^^^The report is long, but they have a condensed version.^^^

But, yes, much of the former prime habitat is now occupied and/or heavily impacted by millions of people. It looks like they are targeting relatively small recovery in sparsely populated areas. Nonetheless, people would be impacted and it sounds like an uphill battle (for now).

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:26 am
by lcarreau
Waitress, there's a bear on my table !



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Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:26 am
by Scott
I wonder what it is with the Puget Sound that makes it undesirable for Grizzlies (Puget Sound is apparently outside the historical range)?

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:31 pm
by willytinawin
I hope the grizzlies are released in Sacramento.

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:08 am
by WyomingSummits
I wonder what the above map looked like for the American Indians and where the tree huggers are concerning that issue? We need more people huggers. :D

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:01 am
by RoryKuykendall
Has anyone asked the bears how they feel about this? I'm not sure if they really give a shit which state they live in.

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:01 am
by mountainhare
I always wondered why you would see bears on the Hunt screen in Oregon Trail, sometimes on the plains even before you reached Chimney Rock. It turns out that is historically accurate, according to the map. Interesting. Not only did you have dysentery, but bears stole your food.

Re: Grizzlies in CA, AZ, NM, UT, the West (oh my!)

PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:17 am
by colinr
Yury wrote:How many fatalities per year are you willing to accept as a price for grizzly bears reintroduction?
For example, can you imagine grizzly bears rather than black bears living at Whitney Portal?


Whitney Portal? I'd accept a record breakin' frickin' average of 7 deaths per year. After that is well established, I might actually go there for the first time ever. ...but, ...um, ...yeah, ...I don't make the rules.