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Pete, I thought this thread was ultimate sublime tongue-in-cheek. Is it real? What did the MLC SC do to you to make you so bitter? They seem to be in a backwater today. Isn't the best revenge in "Living well'?

Pete I deleted one of the threads several days ago because it was some vague rant about the MLC posted in Site Feedback. I already told you that.

If you have a SPECIFIC problem with someone posting your materials without permission let us know. Otherwise, as I posted earlier, vague ramblings about the MLC are not constructive.

Then I was forced into SP, by the necessitated protection of my Peaks Guide.

I remember that book -- occasionally I see it on amazon used books. Was there some issue there, with the MLC SC?

Hey Pete,

I'm sorry to hear about some of the things that happened to you 20+ years ago. I guess it was so bad that you are still suffering from it. The members and ways of the MLC SC from 20+ years ago are surely gone. I went to the MLC SC website and it looks alive and well. Why not try to join and reconcile? Would they accept you now?

http://motherlode.sierraclub.org/

Kevin

I remember Pete as the photographer on at least 2 of Wynne Benti's books. But I guess that's right -- amazon is just a pointer to Pete's web site. It's "not in print", so it looks like an old book.

Intentional or unintentional plagiarism is rampant in guide books, especially now with the internet. One thing the internet has definitely done: left people with the expectation that stuff should be free. Unless they sell it.

EDIT: I know a certain SC chapter -- I hope it remains sotto voce -- where people do stuff like this


There is unofficial screening with lots of personal interaction, lots of emphasis on safety without nuttiness, and the political infighting doesn't spill over into the hikes. In short, the SC doesn't have to be a pain in the a$$.

Nobody here hates you -- it's more like pity. Sorry, but that's the truth.

You know, my dad had Alzheimer's .. I watched his mind slowly slip away over the years. Towards the end he could not remember who he was. He would react strangely, sometimes with paranoia. Terrible things happen to some of us in old age. It's sad. What can you do though.

If you show up with Craig & Carolyn and climb Round Top with the rest of us, then I'm sure we'll all have a good time. Nobody is going to care about MLC SC or whatever. Cheers

1000Pks wrote:There are no other free public ops than PTP where you are not required to sign anything to help out and hike, climb, and ski. The disclaimers are standard in the industry--only fools expose themselves to liability....

...As MLC SC claimed when I tagged along, I forced my way onto somebody's trip, and then their usual hate and hostility. I do this for fun, not masochism. There's the world to explore with me, and I would never wish to do anything with people that clearly already hate me!

Hey it sounds like you already understand why the Sierra Club doesn't offer trips that are difficult/technical. It is the liability. People that have the skill and fitness level to go out on difficult/technical trips already have a set of friends which they go out with so there's not a big incentive to advertise the trip.

I think sometimes people outgrow an club/organization and its usefulness. I think that might be the case for you. This is the case for me. I was once a member of an outdoors club. I'm not now because I've met a lot of friends there and I just email them directly instead of replying on the club to find partners.

You have been out there enjoying the mountains for a long time, long before I was born. I think you might have a few ideas/trips that I might be interested in. I'm at the end of my dirtbagging tour but would like to get in a few more trips before I start to update my resume. Care to entertain some ideas? I'm especially interested in desert peaks.

I've done White Mountain via the West Ridge (north and south spur) twice, Boundary, Montgomery in the winter and have some beta. I have been looking for partner(s) for a winter traverse of the White Mountains. It'll be a mini expedition. Up for that?

Kevin

Pete, I've seen nice people get very paranoid and angry when those same people give up on human interaction. I'd suggest joining a local meetup.com hiking group. You can just sign on for hikes and be as anonymous as you like. Typically there are all levels of trips, and if you relax your mind so you don't care about the goal, you may enjoy yourself.

If you want some atonement, then just remember: the best revenge is in living well.

1000Pks wrote:There's hundreds of photos and text at PTP about desert peaks. Although you'd have to be a confirmed desert peaker to appreciate any of them. With Huascaran on your profile, you are clearly beyond me. Like said by one MLC SC who claimed to Robson, there's nothing we do that would be of any interest, incl. Yosemite walls, by them.

A humbling mountaineer would not think like this. Just because you have climbed such and such peak doesn't mean that such and such peak is beneath you. What kind of thinking is that? That's called elitism. Have you ever met Peter Croft? One of the most humble and genuine dude I've ever met. When I grow up I want to be like him.

1000Pks wrote:I've really been there done that as far as peaks to climb.

I see. So there's no peaks left in the world that's worth your time eh?

this is way better than PnP...

No .. just a place of sadness. How many of us will also succumb in our old age ?

I remember near the end my dad making paranoid accusations too .. growing up he was a source of strength for me, an inspiration. I remember him teaching me how to solder, us building a short-wave radio kit together, learning about computers.

By the time I'd graduated college, he was gone, mentally. I was the oldest in my family, and he never got to see us (his kids) succeed in life, nor meet any of his grandchildren.



IMO Just let it be. There's really nothing more to say.

1000Pks wrote:Sounds like laws being made. So, I can't speak my mind at SP?

And that'd be Area 51 (?). Nothing to do with that.

btw, "obsession" seems to be more ridicule. How that got around, how many doctors in the house?

You can speak your mind all you like. BUT, you cannot demand someone to listen. These are not "new laws being made" here, they in fact, have been around for a long time. It's just new technology, and ways to "speak".

And, yes, I think you are obsessed with this. It seems like 90% of your content on this site has something to do with the Sierra Club. And by the way I am not a represenative of the SC, heck I have only been to the Sierra range once in my life.

If the owners or managers of SP think that you are doing harm to their site or advertisers, then yes they have all the right in the world to censor your inputs on their private web site. There is no Constitutional rights on your behalf that are being infringed.

Pete doesn't have dementia; IMHO, his attitude is nothing that human interaction or an SSRI couldn't fix.

But it is time for me to sign off the thread. I'm not helping; this is like trying to budge a gallon water bottle with a 10' willow wand.

And the sickness goes on.

Yeah, it sure as hell does. But from an outsider who has no clue to these clubs or cults or whatever the hell you seem to have so much angst towards, it seems you have a sickness you need to get over, asap. Made for an interesting read though on a rather uninteresting evening.